Cyclone builders - FAN

[Rajiv_in_KW]

Guys,

If you would similarly supply me your e-mail addresses, I will get on the horn & find out details about new material fan from sheldons. we will see if we can find a group price or not. if nothing else, we can definately save on shipping if we pool our resources togather & pick up from nearest drivable point or something like that.

if you wish, you can reach me at rajiv@NOSPAM_golden.net

Please remove NOSPAM_ from my e-mail address before e-mailing me.

--Rajiv

[Gump in Renfrew]

Rajiv,

My e-mail to you got bounced back as undeliverable.

Gump
kshewitt@NOSPAMrenfrew.net

[Rajiv_in_KW]

Looks like I am getting confused with all the e-mail addresses I maintain. correct e-mail address is rdighe@NOSPAM_golden.net
Please remove NOSPAM_ before sending me an e-mail.

--Rajiv

[Jarratt-in-Ontario]

Rajiv: Thanks for taking initiative with 'potential' group fan purchase. Assume you've read Steve's post below re: "The Cyclone MOTOR list... regarding contact name at Sheldon's, etc. Regards, Jarratt.

[Ed/Leaside]

I also find it confusing. If I want a running list of e-mails from someone, I normally type in "starts with". Doesn't work with "Dighe, Rajiv" and rdighe :)

[Rajiv_in_KW]

Jarrat,

Yes. I have had this info since bill pentz visited the forum to answer our questions I think about two months or so ago.

--Rajiv

[Rob in Ottawa]

What fan are you guys leaning towards? From Steve's comments the material handling fan sounds like the best idea. Is everyone looking at the same size fan? And motor? Or are people tweaking the specs somewhat?

[Ed/Leaside]

Rajiv.

Yes, put me on the impeller list and if there's anything I can do to help, just ask.

BTW, when I went through Bill P's site a thought occurred but I'd placed it in the back of my mind until just now. I still have an old letterpress in the shop. It doesn't see much use these days except for the occasional crease, perf or die-cut job. Last fall I needed a die to cut a cd-rom jacket and was sent to a shop in Scarborough. I e-mailed them a vector drawing of the cut-lines, they plugged it into their cnc router and out came the die. The buried thought? I just checked, the knives that fit the slots they cut are 2pt or about 30 thou. They could cut the impeller housing plates we need complete with bolt holes. Would anyone like me to investigate?

Ed

[Rajiv_in_KW]

[Steve In Kemptville]

Rob, I think it's a good plan that everyone get the same fan if possible. THat way you can all share the blower design and everyone will be on the same page. Your not going to get much more performance that a 14" material fan anyway and frankly it's ample.

As I said before I really loved the idea of the airfoil but the fact that the blades will have dust stick to them and require cleaning isn't my idea of a 'fun' project LOL!

We now have 11 names on the motor list. 2 of them are for motors for non-cyclone projects but the rest are all for new cyclones so you should have close to 10 fans eventually.

Regards
Steve.

[Steve In Kemptville]

Raj,

Why don't we just say "you're IT" for the fan list coordinator?

SOunds like you are close and are willing and that is a perfect combo;)

Btw... looks like everyone is fine with a November 1 delivery so does that wash with you still?

Cheers,
Steve

[Jeff in vancouver]

Raj - I am in let me knowif you don't get me email.

Cheers,

Jeff

[Rajiv_in_KW]

Whew! finally www.canadianwoodworking.com is being resolved at work as well. I was beginning to go thru withdrawal symptoms.

Nov 1 timeframe is something I can live with.

Talked with paul paton at sheldon & I got a quote of $200 + taxes = $230 for the materials fan. I am assuming that everyone will stick with materials fan instead of airfoil. We just need to finalize which motors we are going order & then based on that we can tell him what shaft sizes the fans should be built to. payment can be made at the time of pickup. If there are 10 or more people ordering the fan, we will get additional 5% off bringing total to approx. $219 instead of $230 after taxes.

--Rajiv

[Allan Johanson - South Su]

Please count me in on the fan deal too. I was going to use my 2HP, 12" impellor version but I'll go for the big guy too.

How would you like to deal with us folks that can't "drop by" because we live far away? Can a note be made with the Sheldon folks so our names will be attached to the better pricing deal somehow, but we can give them our credit card info and shipping address?

Allan
e-mail: ajohanson9146 "at" shaw.ca

[Rajiv_in_KW]

That can be arranged. or if two or three of you are within driving distance to each other, one shipment consisting of three or more fans can be made to one common address possibly saving money.

--Rajiv

[Ken Ventress, Penticton,]

I was wondering about that(shipping out west)as well. I certainly live with the Nov. 1 date! nnewton@img.NOSPAMnet - remove the NOSPAM
Cheers, and thanks Raj! Ken

[Jim Shaver, Oakville Onta]

Hi,

I sent you an email asking to be included in the list please for a 14" impeller.

My Email is jim.shaver@sympatico.ca

My emails are bouncing back from yours for some reason even after I remove the NOSPAM_

Take care,
Jim

[Ken Ventress, Penticton,]

[Rajiv_in_KW]

guys,

Third post from the beginning of this thread has my correct e-mail address. I had given wrong e-mail address by mistake. Due to nature of my work, I have to juggle around 8-12 e-mail addresses. once in a while I end up confusing them with one another. My apoligies. correct e-mail address for the record is
rdighe@NOSPAM_golden.net please remove NOSPAM_ from the e-mail address. I have been receiving e-mail in responce to this thread.

--Rajiv

[Steve In Kemptville]

Jeff,

Please email me, I do not have your email address and want to add it to a group list so it's easier to keep in touch wil all on the motor list.

Thanks,
Steve.

caters@sympatico.ca

[Allan Johanson - South Su]

...or if the date was a shade earlier then we could stack up the shipments and you can pick yours up from one of us at the Cloverdale wood show in October!

I don't mind being the B.C. "shipping hub" for the motors and fans. The next thing to do is to buy the filters. It look like I'll be heading back to Camfil-Farr to buy at least one more filter. I could also pick up more for other folks while I'm there.

Allan

[Ken Ventress, Penticton,]

Thanks for the offer Al! As for shipping time, it's no big deal when but if it were on the date you suggest, where would I fit in all my new tools??? ;-) Anytime would be fine or if there is no real price advantage with the bulk shipping over individual shipping, I could get it shipped here. I saw the size of those filters and 2 of them MIGHT fit in the car.
Cheers, Ken......just home from the beach!

[Jeff in vancouver]

Alan,

Thanks for the offer to be our hub. Your location works fine for me. Not sure who else in the west is doing this.

How far along are you with your Cyclone?

How much did your filter cost?

[Allan Johanson - South Su]

Hi Jeff,

I'm not sure who else is planning on building a cyclone either. If we can convince Randy to run 240V into his shop then maybe he'll join the list. :-)

I've still been having problems getting onto this forum so maybe others have too. We'll see how big this list gets as more folks become aware of this.

My cyclone project was put on hold due to having too many other things going on. It's still in the phase of having the metal cut out. But it has been sized for a smaller blower for less resistance so I'm not 100% sure I'll stick with this size. It's a 20" diameter cyclone instead of the 18" spec'd out by Bill. One of these days I'll check with him but my suspicion is that I could get better separation of dust particles with an 18" cyclone, at the cost of higher SP losses due to the cyclone. But then going to the 14" fan and 5HP motor should easily overcome those losses - or so that's what I believe to be the reasoning for the 18" cyclone.

A 20" cyclone might offer a slightly higher CFM rate at a cost of cleaning the filters more often. How much more often I don't know. I can't imagine that much more.

I'm generally pretty lazy so I might leave it at 20" rather than recut the metal. :-)

The filter, after taxes, was $101 or something like that. It was more expensive than Steve's back east even though it's the same company, etc. Maybe it's shipping charges, the price may have gone up in the many months since Steve bought his, or more likely a "retail" price, but at an extra $15-$20 each I'm not going to worry too much about it. Especially since they're probably the only game in town. I can't just go to Home Depot for it! :-)

Cheers,

Allan

[Randy in Langley]

Al,

You know any "Electrical Friends"? My father was an electrician for a while when he was younger. I keep teasing him that it must have been easy back then when all you had to do was fill the lamp with oil. Anyhow, sounds like he may be coming out to BC in Mid October and re-wiring the basement may be a project that he can take on. I'd like to have someone with more knowledge than I take a look at my panel and situation and tell me whether this whole 220V / 240V thing is possible. Preferably before Ocotober and preferably before this opportunity goes bye. Do you know anyone who might be able to tell me whether this is a feasible?

[Allan Johanson - South Su]

Hi Randy,

Sorry, but I don't know anyone like that. I simply hired a firm to do the wiring for me. In my old house my brother and I did the wiring, but we're hardly professionals. Have you ever seen "Broken House Chronicles" on HGTV? :-)

What I suggest for you is to find a firm (check with the BBB!) that will give you a "free estimate". Then you can go from there. Maybe the job is too involved for your dad and you might want the power upgrade in any case? You never know.

If your box is full and you have no full-size breakers to convert to slim-line, you could always add on a subpanel beside the current box. If you end up drawing too much current for your box, then you better look in the couches for lots of coins because you'll need them to upgrade the service! ACK!

If you decide to go for the 240V, give me a call and I'll drop off a partial spool of #10/2 wire free of charge. I have plenty left over.

Good luck!

Allan

[Randy in Langley]

Yes I've seen Broken House Chronicles, it's a pretty silly show and I enjoy watching it for the twisted humour.

I guess I kind of know an electrical friend. My wifes good friends father owns Bridge Electrical, and as for wire, I have two friends who work for wire and electrical distributors, so getting wire for cheap isn't a big deal (thanks for the offer though). It's actually justifying doing the whole conversion so that I can have a scookum DC in my shop. I think this may be a larger project than I am really willing to take on right now.

[Gump in Renfrew]

Don't feel bad. I have to run a service to my shop before I can use the cyclone too. At least I won't have to unscrew a light bulb or two before ripping maple anymore. A little exageration but I thought it sounded funny.

Gump

[Rajiv_in_KW]

It might sound strange to you. but until I added a new 110v circuit for TS & 220v for compressor few days ago, I had to limit my maple ripping to daylight hours. If I ran my shopvac, basement lights & my TS at the same time, breaker was sure to trip :)

--Rajiv