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Dave Smith, Longview, WA
11-13-2004, 12:24 PM
I want to share this information with my friends North of the boarder. I posted this on Woodcentral and I expect a lot of discussion there. I will try to answer your question here also.

Fred Holder was kind enough to publish an article I wrote about drying bowls in More Woodturning. I am not sure where you can obtain a copy of the November issue or if Fred has extra copies available for purchase. The process is something I have worked on for many years and it has proven very effective.

In the interest of turners who would like to turn bowls from green wood and give them for gifts this coming Christmas I am posting the process in a nutshell. Please let me know your results, good or bad, so I can write a followup article about the general use of the process.
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ALCOHOL SOAKING GREEN BOWL BLANKS IN A NUT SHELL.

Turn the bowl to a thickness of ½"for small bowls(< 6 inches). Larger bowls may need to be thicker to allow for distortion.

Place the bowl in a container of denatured alcohol.

Let soak for 2 or more hours.

Remove the bowl and place it on a rack upside down for 1 hour to let the surface dry.

Wrap the bowl in heavy paper such as a grocery sack. On a bowl simply gather the paper around the rim and secure with a couple turns of masking tape. On a closed form the paper can be tucked into the opening and held in place with masking tape across the opening. The opening must be open to allow air circulation.

Place the bowl upside down on a rack so air can circulate into the opening.

Record the weight and date on the bottom of the paper. When the weight stops decreasing it is ready to finish turn.
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Small bowls will stop losing weight in one week or less. Large bowls will take about two weeks. Hollow forms very in drying time due to the small opening which inhibits air exchange. It is not necessary to record the weight every day but initially you may want to check the progress to satisfy your curiosity. I keep my shop heated and dehumidified year round so my drying time may very from what you may experience.

Nearly every turning I have posted on this forum has been dried using this process. There have been some failures but they have been rare exceptions. So don’t use a priceless irreplaceable piece of wood to test this drying protocol.

I owe a big think you to the many people who helped me test the alcohol drying process during the past year and those who encouraged this project. They validated my findings, edited text and gave me the confidence to publish the results. In no particular order these people are David Propst, Bill Grumbine, Dominic Grecco, Jennifer Shirley, Mark Kauder, Larry Hancock, Scott Greaves, Sean Troy, Barb Siddiqui, Mike Schwing and Ellis Walentine.

Good luck.

Dave Smith

With a shop full of dry bowls in Longview, WA.

Rusty
11-13-2004, 12:37 PM
this is an interesting developement - curious as to the process and why it works. it has the potential to save us a lot of time waiting for the blanks to dry out. A lot cheaper than Pentycryl too.

Fred in Windsor
11-13-2004, 12:49 PM
I think I'm going to need a good scale. Thanks for the info. Sounds plausable.

Jim Shaver - Oakville, On
11-13-2004, 01:32 PM
Hi Dave,

Thanks for coming over here and doing that. I know I enjoy seeing your turned work, so you advice here is well recieved.

take care,
Jim

Bob in Lachute, Qc.
11-13-2004, 01:56 PM
Hi Dave,

Very interesting. I was familiar with the use of PEG (Polyethylene Glycol) for turning green wood, but this is a new one for me. Would this method allow for better compatability with finishes?? Apparently, that can be a problem with PEG.

Thanks for posting that. All the best, Bob

drew Peacock
11-13-2004, 02:14 PM
Two things are happening her Rusty:
Denatured alcohol is prpbably Ethanol in this case.
If it is absolute (99.9%) it will leach moisture from the wood cells.
As Ethanol is more volatile than just water , evaportion will be much quicker. ( lower partial pressure and all the stuff from physics)
Pentacryl does not speed the drying of wood so much but rather penetrates the cells and displaces the water with the pentcryl formula. The wood now , when it dries, is hardened by the pentacryl. That will not happen with the alcohol so you may still have to soak it with 5cryl.
So my take is try alcohol on wood that is not punky or spalted and stick with 5cryl or similar for the tricky stuff.

Drew

Dave Smith, Longview, WA
11-13-2004, 02:25 PM
Hi Jim,

I didn't want you to think I was unneighborly. The alcohol soaking is a drying process that does not interfere with any finishes. It will not help with punky wood except kill any organisms that might be growing in it.

Dave Smith

Typing away in Longview, WA.

GerryinAgassiz
11-13-2004, 03:18 PM
Friends are for sitting around a BBQ, visiting, drinking beer, making shavings with, and sharing time with. That's what friends are for. Nice to see you on this side of the line, Dave.

Gerry

Dave Smith, Longview, WA
11-13-2004, 03:31 PM

DREW PEACOCK
11-13-2004, 07:00 PM
Hi Bob:
I have not seen any literature that suggests that either glycols or alcohols interfere with contemporary finishes. Could you please direct me to the articles or supply me with some references.

Drew

Bob in Lachute, Qc.
11-13-2004, 07:28 PM
Hi Drew,

It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, Patrick Spielman, wrote a book called "Turning green wood, with PEG".

My basic understanding, what that the wood was soaked in PEG, originally to prevent checking, and splitting, from drying out. Seems to me he was using it to preserve turning blanks. From what I remember, this was very successful at rejuvinating , or perhaps more appropriately "preserving" the cellular structure of the wood. If I remember correctly, there were some issues with finishing these blanks, after turning.

I'll dig out the book if you want, and get you the ISBN number. You could perhaps find a copy at the library.

All the best, Bob

DREW PEACOCK
11-13-2004, 07:53 PM
I'm a bit confused now Bob because you just said that it might be a problem:

"Very interesting. I was familiar with the use of PEG (Polyethylene Glycol) for turning green wood, but this is a new one for me. Would this method allow for better compatability with finishes?? Apparently, that can be a problem with PEG."

I have that book and he didn't say that.

Could you have been thinking of some other book?

Drew

Bob in Lachute, Qc.
11-13-2004, 08:06 PM
No Drew, that's the only book I have regarding the use of PEG. Been a long while since I read it, so I'm probably fuzzy to say the least, but that's what I remember for some reason. Seems to me , that I remember him saying the preservation effect, was very long-lasting. Have you found that it doesn't interfere with finishing??? I've never tried it. Was thinking of picking some up at Lee Valley, since they used to carry it. Not sure if they still do.

All the best, Bob

Robin in Niagara
11-13-2004, 09:31 PM
I have a book titled "Wood Turning Techniques" by Better Homes and Gardens ISBN# 0-696-00029-6 (1997) where they zap the green rough turned bowl a few times in a microwave to dry it. Never done it myself yet.
FWIW
Robin

J.P.Rap in Hamilton
11-14-2004, 12:23 AM
...and this was the result.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid44/pe5392f9df6ac32352b2acf0b25f6cbc7/fcdf4bed.jpg

J.P.