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    Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

    Originally posted by altiplano View Post
    The problem is, who determines the standard?

    What is and isn't okay?

    What's political, what isn't.
    These are all excellent questions and not easy to answer, I fully admit.


    Originally posted by altiplano View Post
    Canada Post should stay out of it, and do what they are contracted to do, that's apoltical.
    I agree they should stay out of it, but I think it might be better if they stayed FURTHER away from some things.



    Originally posted by altiplano View Post
    I still haven't seen these examples of hate speech, or anti-vax articles being disseminated. I searched their stories for 10 minutes online and couldn't find evidence of that either.
    I'm not sure about the hate speech by those particular folks, but that is already censored by Canada Post anyway according to gvt requirements.

    Originally posted by altiplano View Post
    Remember that being critical of or condemning the Chinese Communist Party actions is not racism towards Chinese people.

    The same CCP engaged in genocides, political persecution, kidnapping, disappearings, wide scale state controlled propaganda, and targeted misinformation and destabilization campaigns.

    I asked earlier: Was Taiwan racist when they shut down flights with China at the first hint of the pandemic?
    Yes, the CCP certainly deserves it's share of criticism IMHO! I don't know anything about the flights issue.

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    • #92

      Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

      I hear you, Brent. When we received the first issue some time back, I read it over and came to the same conclusion as you. I guess that unless it can be demonstrated that distributing such untruthful literature is counter to the rules that CP operates under, they'll continue distributing it in an effort to generate profit.


      Originally posted by timberframe View Post
      I'd like to know if there is a vetting process for what type of material can be distributed via Canada post. Does anyone know? Some people I know received a copy of the Epoch Times in their mailbox - a right wing, conspiracy pushing, anti-vaxer rag. Looking it up it seems to have happened in Ontario and BC in the spring too.

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/epoch...apon-1.5548217


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      • #93

        Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

        Originally posted by MartyFromKingston View Post
        I hear you, Brent. When we received the first issue some time back, I read it over and came to the same conclusion as you. I guess that unless it can be demonstrated that distributing such untruthful literature is counter to the rules that CP operates under, they'll continue distributing it in an effort to generate profit.
        Thanks Marty, agreed. To be clear I always figured it was permitted or allowed by virtue of it passing review more than once and getting into mailboxes, but something about using gvt services to get it out there doesn't ring true to me.
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        • #94

          Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

          I'm still wondering what was untruthful exactly?

          Were they opinion pieces?

          Because that and reporting are two different things.

          By that standard of opinions or biases that one may disagree with being categorised as untruthful, I would say that the media is full of untruths. Including, and in fact especially, the mainstream media.

          Not to mention the widespread lack of reporting on some events and issues by the mainstream outlets which I would categorize as deception by ommisson, and a failure to meet their responsibility to impartial journalistic integrity.
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          • #95

            Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

            Originally posted by altiplano View Post
            I'm still wondering what was untruthful exactly?

            Were they opinion pieces?

            Because that and reporting are two different things.

            By that standard of opinions or biases that one may disagree with being categorised as untruthful, I would say that the media is full of untruths. Including, and in fact especially, the mainstream media.

            Not to mention the widespread lack of reporting on some events and issues by the mainstream outlets which I would categorize as deception by ommisson, and a failure to meet their responsibility to impartial journalistic integrity.
            I personally have seen the whole gammut/spectrum from them with respect to reporting vs. opinions, but I'm not sure what Marty read so I won't speak for him. The one I saw 18 months ago or so said that medical researchers who claimed vaccines don't cause autism were factually wrong and were part of a coverup, in bed with the pharmaceutical industry. However it appears in one of the more recent articles they quote another organization who says there isn't data to say vaccines don't cause autism when there is. So that more recent one wouldn't be them saying it per se, but sharing it without questioning it's legitimacy. There was a link supplied earlier where a PR person said that it hadn't been established that Covid-19 wasn't a bioweapon....but at the time of the statement it had been. These are just examples, there is also ACC-related falsehoods etc etc etc....

            Somewhat more waffly is sharing the discredited idea that masks cause brain damage. This was not their conclusion, but that of someone else which of course had been discredited. This would not be them stating a falsehood, but legitimizing the falsehoods of others and giving it more reach. If the story was about how these crazy whackos think masks cause brain damage that would be one thing, but it was in the context of discussing the anti-mask sentiment overall.

            Even more vague again is simply sharing Qanon posts on Facebook. Is that "reporting"? An opinion? It wasn't an objective article about QAnon...just a share. I would think the conspiracy theory that democrats are running a world wide pedophile ring and Trump is rescuing them all would be deserving of context etc but no....

            They also have a whole section of their web site to paranormal things like curing cancer by thinking about it really hard or something like that.

            They also have plenty of articles that seem totally normal about some lady and her dog, or the stock markets.

            So no, I didn't mean to imply that every single thing they ever wrote was really out there, but the media bias folks seem to agree they are mixed on their factual reporting and right biased: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/

            But anyway, regardless of all that, I just think our tax payer propped postal service should stay away from disseminating political stuff like that. The Epoch Times were the second largest pro-Trump, paid advertiser on Facebook, second only to Trump. So I'm not inclined to think they are centrist.

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            • #96

              Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

              So, CP shouldn't deliver political stuff "like that" but other political stuff (member flyers, hopeful incumbants, etc) is ok?



              Do politicians have to pay to slip flyers into PO boxes? Does anyone have to pay to do so?

              It is possible for people to receive mail that is not delivered by CP, but is using CP resources.

              Should we make inserting anything (beyond what CP delivers) into mailboxes, PO boxes, etc. illegal and punishable by law?
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              • #97

                Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                Originally posted by timberframe View Post

                But anyway, regardless of all that, I just think our tax payer propped postal service should stay away from disseminating political stuff like that.
                I'll just leave this here and then call it quits in this thread. As an adult, I would really like other adults to stop trying to protect me from something that "they" feel is harmful. I can decide for myself what I do or do not agree with. I want the opportunity to see "all" sides of positions that people take. Yes, there are genuinely harmful things going on out there, things that are so far outside the bounds of decency and safety that common sense says to make them illegal (child porn, etc), but this example of yours doesn't even come close. I would like you to stop interfering in my life and start minding your own business. I will make my own decisions and if I feel that the Epoch Times is a rag not worth reading, I am more than capable of tossing it in the garbage. For many people, CP is the ONLY game in town and they do not have any other businesses delivering this sort of media, so stopping CP essentially puts them at a disadvantage relative to other Canadians. I am one of those people.

                Thank you.

                John

                PS : this post is NOT a pot-shot at your concerns, just an expression of my joy at living in a free country, one with (so far) minimal restrictions on law abiding citizens.
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                • #98

                  Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                  I think feeling like Government services shouldn't be used by interest groups, on classic, contentious political "hot potato" subjects is reasonable. It's not favouring anyone over another, just reinforcing the value of neutrality in public services. I'm not sure who said anything about dissolving Canada Post???
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                    Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                    Better get up to speed on Canada Post.

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                    • Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                      Originally posted by Leo Van Der Loo View Post
                      Better get up to speed on Canada Post.

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                      Yes, some years they make money and some years they have to be propped up by government. I can recall quite the political hoopla about it over the years! They have a Federal Minister though I can't remember which one it is.
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                      • Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                        Canada post owns Purolator for 90% and it has been maken good profits, getting better as more and more people shop on line, between the two they do not need Government bailouts, and serving Canadians al the while.
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                        • Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                          Originally posted by Leo Van Der Loo View Post
                          Canada post owns Purolator for 90% and it has been maken good profits, getting better as more and more people shop on line, between the two they do not need Government bailouts.
                          I've heard they're doing better generally but I guess they lost $140 million or so the past couple of years with more competition from other parcel companies.
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                          • Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                            Originally posted by timberframe View Post

                            I've heard they're doing better generally but I guess they lost $140 million or so the past couple of years with more competition from other parcel companies.
                            I use Canada post almost exclusively for shipping out anywhere Canada or the US. I don't have a problem with them shipping. Occasionally I do get junk mail from them. This is what the Canadian recycling blue bin is for. Canada post sometimes gets paid for delivering junk mail. I'm OK with it as I well understand it is a subsidy that makes them overly competitive. I'm pretty sure Amazon in Canada will have similar crap coming out in your delivery boxes soon from paid advertisement. Facebook, YouTube, Google and even television.... This is a multibillion dollar industry. It's not going away. During the Super Bowl advertisers pay over $2 million a minute get a word out.

                            Advertising is done on a small scales and on a large scales... from anywhere from junk to good stuff.

                            Businesses want to sell you their wares whatever they are. They could be the slap chop, vita mix, a microwave, toyota, Honda, GMC, progressive, conservative, Geico, Rogers, Bell, Telus, iPhone, android, Wadkin, General, G.I., Hammer, Felder, Format, Grass seed from Scott's, Dunlop vs Michelin, I can go on and on and on.

                            Even the old phone book yellow pages was filled with I got a bigger add, I'm better.

                            I really think you need to watch carefully the crap that you watch or is delivered to you no matter the source. Even nowadays emails and phone calls stating they're calling from the CRA or Crown attorney office of Canada or United States looking for you to make payment through Walmart gift cards.

                            Literally, this week I am paying a tile guy to do a backsplash that I don't have time to do. He is my tile guy that I've used for three or four projects. He doesn't advertise or shove anything down my throat. He just shows up and does a good job.

                            Next week he might get another tile job.

                            My painter might get another painting job if he stops taking stupid labouring jobs.

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                            • Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                              Originally posted by Matt Matt View Post
                              ... During the Super Bowl advertisers pay over $2 million a minute get a word out...
                              I may be wrong but I think it's a lot more then 2 mil per minute these days.


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                              • Re: Canada Post used to disseminate right wing propaganda!

                                Originally posted by JustSomeGuy View Post

                                I may be wrong but I think it's a lot more then 2 mil per minute these days.

                                It could be $2 mill for 30 sec. + production & research.
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