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    Why can't we produce better golfers in this country? No offense to the current crop of PGA pros I root for every week but cripes if Ireland and Scandinavia can produce world-class golfers why can't we? We have ten time the population of Ireland and a better golf climate than Sweden. I could go on and on and on....
    As a final note on a per capita basis Canada is a world-leader in golf participation. If we can put a puck in the 5 hole why the heck can't we sink a putt?

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    I'd guess it has to do with the seasons, as we can't golf here year round.

    Kind of like how the Jamaicans can't bobsled (though they tried).

    AK

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      Climate is an issue but it's cold in other countries that produce lots of good golfers.

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        Cold...? It isn't just cold...

        Hard to two putt in a few feet of snow.

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          Someone gave me a putter once. I cut the end off and epoxied a large treble hook into it and used it as a gaff for ice fishing. Works great.

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            I don't play golf often but I like it when I do. It's one of those healthy activities people can pursue while having having a beer and a smoke.
            In order to understand recursion, one must first understand recursion

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              I actually wasn't bad at golf, but I just found it too long and generally boring. Nice scenery while doing it, but that alone isn't enough to get me to go. Fishing is the same to me.
              Kevin

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              • #8

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                I used to golf quite regulary.... I'd walk a local course first thing in the morning solo.... It was my zen time. Occassionly I'd do the full course if the first nine went well. Now that I have a few kids I simply can't alot the time.

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                  Originally posted by dwoody View Post
                  Why can't we produce better golfers in this country? No offense to the current crop of PGA pros I root for every week but cripes if Ireland and Scandinavia can produce world-class golfers why can't we? We have ten time the population of Ireland and a better golf climate than Sweden. I could go on and on and on....
                  As a final note on a per capita basis Canada is a world-leader in golf participation. If we can put a puck in the 5 hole why the heck can't we sink a putt?
                  It may have something to do with this. Kids would rather be Wayne Gretzky than Mike Wier, so more time and effort is put into hockey. How many professional hockey players are Irish?

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                    I *do* play golf, that's a certainty.
                    Now whether I *can* play golf is the debatable part

                    I suck at it, but I do enjoy it
                    I dream of a better world, one where chickens can cross roads without having their motives questioned.

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                      I came from the birthplace of golf, and believe me you don't spend much time on the course in the winter. Come to think of it, it's not that warm in the summer either. People with talent, like Martin Laird, usually take off for somewhere warmer such as Florida. Traditionally over there it was an expensive middle-class game, like curling, rugby, cricket. Most working-class kids got into soccer.
                      Jim

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                        I always figure I'm not old enough to golf. I play it a couple times a year, but seem to get bored after a few holes. All of friends golf.
                        When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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                          I golf quite a bit, probably close to 60 rounds a year. I grew up working at a private club in Ottawa. Back then I used to play over 80 rounds. 2 players I grew up playing with are now on the nationwide tour. One was able to qualify for the Us Open several years ago at Winged Foot. There's lots of really good players in Canada, but for you to make the Tour you need to be better than great. It's a tough go. My family is from Ireland and Scotland and its not a sport for them it's a way of living. I don't think Canadians have the interest.

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                            I actually became quite good at finding golf balls! I spent alot of time in the field or the bush looking for the one I just lost!

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                              I think you are going to see things change over the next 15 years with regards to golfers in Canada. One of the major reasons why some of these international players have done so well is their complete dedication to the game. In Canada, people just don't dedicate to golf like they do in other countries. I agree with others that it is odd because players DO dedicate their lives to hockey.

                              As an example, Rory McIlroy quit school when he was 16. He was so far behind at that point that he just gave up and golfed full time. This likely means he really 'quit' school when he was 12 or 13. We don't let our kids do that here in Canada unless it is for hockey. And even then, 12 or 13 might be a bit young. It is more like 14 or 15. It is at that age that parents will not worry as much about slipped grades, missing days of school for hockey camps, etc...

                              Secondly is that parents would rarely consider letting their 15 year old child move to the states to golf during the winter. Now, if it was a 15 year old that wanted to move from a small town to the big city to play AAA bantam hockey then they would be on the next bus. This is starting to change. I know of kids that spend a substantial portion of the winter in the southern states. My own golf coach travels down there throughout the year to work with some of them.

                              Things are slowly changing to the point where golf is on parents radars much like hockey is.

                              We are starting to use technology here during the winter months (as well as the summer months). We are also starting to get some truly capable coaches. Actual experts in the game. Sean Foley has been one of the well known teachers of the game since he started working with Tiger Woods, but many people don't realize he has worked with many other professional golfers, as well as a handful of juniors. In the Toronto area specifically, there are some great facilities for young golfers.

                              The typical path of a Canadian golfer is being a scratch at 12 or 13. Winning junior tournaments and competing for many of the men's tournaments through 14 and 15 (club championships, cities, etc...). Canadian Amateur titles can be won by the time they are 17 or 18. Getting into US College golf programs is usually the first major 'weeding out' of golfers. It is hard to get into a good program, and it is even harder to be successful there. After successful completion of a college program they usually progress to the 'mini-tours' and 'entry level' tours as the Canadian Tour. These guys are good. At any given day, these guys could play any PGA tournament and if they played well they could win. If have a chance to watch these guys you should go for it. They are really good. The next step to the Nationwide, Euro, and PGA tours is a huge step up involving the smallest of details. I know players who have been on the Canadian Tour for 10 years and can't quite make the jump. However they can go out and shoot 63, 68, 68, 68 and come in 5th. They can go to Q-School and miss the top X by 1 shot. It is hard. Really hard.

                              Our golf programs have come a looong way since I was a wee lad hoping to play on the PGA tour 20 years ago (I am 33 now). Now there is training, computers, coaches, etc... I think over the next 15 years we will see these programs come to fruition and see more Canadians on tour.

                              And lastly, making a go at playing on tour is very very expensive. The winnings are slim to none. Come in 20th and you don't make enough to cover your costs for the weekend. This is after shooting -12 for the week. Winners are often in the -20 range. Assuming you aren't living at home with your parents you can pretty much budget needing $60,000 or more per year for an apartment and expenses. It is tough to find that type of sponsorship, and you sure aren't going to make that money playing on the mini tours or the Canadian Tour. Lots of players last a few years then have to move on to different occupations. This would be akin to the minor league players for the Marlies (as an exmaple) earning only miniscule salaries (which of course, they don't).


                              Anyway, that is my take on things.

                              Ian

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