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  • Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

    If anyone knows of one of these machines being offered for sale, I'd be happy to hear of it.

    Thanks, in advance.
    All the best,

    Marty

    Secretary of Kingston Wood Artisans Inc. https://kwoodartca.wordpress.com/

    Master Mistake Fixer (because I've made them all... at least once)
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    Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

    Hey Marty,

    I donít want to hijack your thread but I got a question.

    What is the difference between drum and wide belt, Iíve been on the lookout for a drum sander and people seem to just call all drum sanders wide belt, I just thought they were the same thing until I read your post, must mean that people selling these things are writing the wrong names ?

    Colin

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      Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

      Originally posted by Redbull1989 View Post
      Hey Marty,

      I donít want to hijack your thread but I got a question.

      What is the difference between drum and wide belt, Iíve been on the lookout for a drum sander and people seem to just call all drum sanders wide belt, I just thought they were the same thing until I read your post, must mean that people selling these things are writing the wrong names ?

      Colin
      A wide belt machine has just that -- a wide belt that you install on the rollers. A drum sander the paper (3" --5" ) is wrapped around the drum and clipped at the end to cover the drum.

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        Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

        What is commonly referred to as a wide belt uses either an electric eye or air pressure to cause the belt to move from side to side as it turns. The paper on a wide belt is one piece of sand paper that is in a continuous loop. I am not sure of the lateral movement but on mine I would guess approx 3/4 of an inch. A drum sander is a much smaller machine with a fixed head and the paper is wrapped around a drum. There is a huge difference in price between a drum sander and a wide belt. IIRC I have seen smaller wide belts (37 inch wide) in the $30,000 price while drum sanders start at probably $2000. You can spend over $100,000 for a multiple head 52 inch wide belt.

        There are usually used wide belts on Woodweb machinery exchange quite frequently, sometimes in the $6000 dollar range. The few that I have seen in Canada are usually the larger ones with multiple heads.

        There are smaller widebelts and some as small as 15 inch but have never seen any in use or for sale used.
        If your dreams don't scare you, you are not dreaming big enough

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          Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

          I guess I know what a drum sander is, Iíve just seen so many people advertising drum sanders for sale but calling them wide belt.
          Just dumb people misleading me I guess.

          Thanks for clearing the air!

          Colin

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            Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

            Yeah, it's not uncommon to incorrectly call a drum sander a widebelt sander; perhaps it's the "wide" part of the word which trips some up. Or perhaps it's a bit like those who use the term planer-jointer when they really mean a jointer (and not to be confused with dual-function jointer planers).

            The model I am most likely interested in is one that King made several years back. If memory serves me well, it was a 16" wide, open-ended machine with a belt perhaps 30" in total length. In other words, it was a smaller version of the machines Brian described. The King model retailed new for around CA $6,500, and they're very few and far between. It didn't have the oscillating feature Brian described.
            All the best,

            Marty

            Secretary of Kingston Wood Artisans Inc. https://kwoodartca.wordpress.com/

            Master Mistake Fixer (because I've made them all... at least once)

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              Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

              Here is a heck of a deal on an industrial quality machine and relatively new for wide belts Click image for larger version

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              picture not that great but it is on Kijiji for St Catherine’s, asking $5000
              If your dreams don't scare you, you are not dreaming big enough

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                Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                IIRC approx 8 to 10 years ago I had gone to look at some tools in Guelph. The guy had some connection to King as he had at least 4 of the widebelts Marty is referencing. King could not get them to track properly. They were oscillating but headed to the scrap dealer .

                Brian
                If your dreams don't scare you, you are not dreaming big enough

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                  Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                  I have never met anybody who was happy with an open sided sander. I suppose if you used it like a drum sander it would be ok but as the paper wears you can generate a lot of pressure under the roller.
                  Brian @ Muir likes this.

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                    Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                    I’m not really sure which kind of belt sander Marty wants, but I had a look earlier before going to watch my smaller grandkids play ringette, anyway there are several wide belt sanders on KIJIJI, while some would be called edge sanders, or stroke sanders, they do use wide belts and then there are the humongous sized ones, I see Brian is showing one of he medium size ones.

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/b...7508?undefined

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/c...3940?undefined

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/c...0959?undefined

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/s...der/1474286757

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/l...5300?undefined

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/o...6692?undefined

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-busine...8541?undefined

                    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-busine...svByLDXLtRyJyK

                    Have fun and take care
                    Leo Van Der Loo

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                      Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                      I just had to get mine home as the storage facility it was in was sold to the township. It was rebuilt by Tremzaction , ready for service and never used in 1995! They had 40 millwrights servicing the furniture industry in Quebec. It has 1 drum, 40hp and two platens, 30 and 20hp with a 10hp belt feed for a total od 100hp. It would require 400amps on single phase and weighs about 10000lbs. I am thinking of building a trailer under it as it is difficult to move and more than 8' high. It is a 37'' x 75'' belt size. FWIW it was listed at 28,500$ when I bought it at auction for much less.
                      I am open to offers!
                      Rob
                      Last edited by iamtooler; 12-01-2019, 11:05 PM.

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                        Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                        Thanks for that legwork, Leo, but most of these aren't the style I'm looking for. The fourth one you found is the closest, but it's unfortuantely not 220 volt so it's out for me.

                        I guess I'll have to keep on looking!

                        Originally posted by Leo Van Der Loo View Post
                        I’m not really sure which kind of belt sander Marty wants, but I had a look earlier before going to watch my smaller grandkids play ringette, anyway there are several wide belt sanders on KIJIJI, while some would be called edge sanders, or stroke sanders, they do use wide belts and then there are the humongous sized ones, I see Brian is showing one of he medium size ones.

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/b...7508?undefined

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/c...3940?undefined

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/c...0959?undefined

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/s...der/1474286757

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/l...5300?undefined

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/o...6692?undefined

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-busine...8541?undefined

                        https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-busine...svByLDXLtRyJyK
                        All the best,

                        Marty

                        Secretary of Kingston Wood Artisans Inc. https://kwoodartca.wordpress.com/

                        Master Mistake Fixer (because I've made them all... at least once)

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                          Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                          Not sure if this is what your looking for, its a small open ended machine. Also not 220v but maybe cheap enough to swap motors?


                          12" Mini Wide Belt Sander (Open end, 24" max width capacity).,
                          https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/o...nt=app_android

                          Is there a size and price range your looking for? I check Kijiji for belt sanders every few hours so i can keep an eye out.

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                            Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                            Originally posted by Beaverfever1988 View Post
                            Not sure if this is what your looking for, its a small open ended machine. Also not 220v but maybe cheap enough to swap motors?


                            12" Mini Wide Belt Sander (Open end, 24" max width capacity).,
                            https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/o...nt=app_android

                            Is there a size and price range your looking for? I check Kijiji for belt sanders every few hours so i can keep an eye out.
                            I believe that belongs to igor Igor Vasilenko

                            Nathan

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                            • #15

                              Re: Looking for a 220 volt 1 or 3-phase wide belt (not drum) sander

                              I called about the 12" Mini Wide Belt Sander (Open end, 24" max width capacity), https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/o...nt=app_android and don't think it was Igor I was speaking with. Regardless, that particular machine is more akin to a jointer, as the belt is on the bottom, located between two independently movable (up and down) tables. There is a feed roller on the top. Whatever amount of wood you wish to remove, you set the infeed table to; the outfeed table is set to the top of the sanding belt - again, just as you would if it were a jointer.

                              The owner stated that it wasn't at all what I was looking for, so I declined to make an offer. So Jason, thanks for looking out for price drops for me, but I'm not interested in this machine. If, however, you come across something along the lines of what I'm looking for, then by all means, please let me know.

                              All the best,

                              Marty

                              Secretary of Kingston Wood Artisans Inc. https://kwoodartca.wordpress.com/

                              Master Mistake Fixer (because I've made them all... at least once)

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