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  • I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

    I bought a new General Int. 40-250 shaper a few years back for a price I could not resist. For those not familliar wit this shaper, it is a 3hp with 3/4 spindle.

    It has been sitting collecting dust for 4 years now but I would like to put it to use. I do not have any tooling yet and every time I search online, I end up more confused then before. I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any threads that provide anything useful to me.

    I would like to start building raised or shaker style doors with the shaper with hopes that the larger cutters will give a better finish and decrease tearout which I am getting using the router bits now. I am also looking to get a miterlock cutter because I can't seem to use the one on the router table without always getting a lot of tear-out.

    can anyone point me to a relatively affordable rail/stile shapper cutter?? I know many buy a cutter head and seperate knives but what I available is quite expensive and I leaning towards a simple dedicated cutter be as I always build the same two types of doors..

    What is available for the 3/4" spindle in a door cutter and where can I get it?

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    Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

    Separate knives are way cheaper than buying separate cutterheads.
    https://www.amazon.com/CMT-692-078-1.../dp/B000P4NP9O
    Knives from cmt or dimar for the above cutterhead are about $25 a set.


    Freud knives (or cmt or freborn equivalent brands) are about $100 a cutter (or more).

    https://www.wmooreprofiles.com/shape...tern-sets-6-pc

    If you aren't using a power feeder you might want to thinking cutters with limiters.
    Basically they take off a smaller bite so if your finger goes in you lose a finger tip not half a hand
    I use ones similar to these
    https://www.scosarg.com/whitehill-d-...l-limiter-head

    They also make aluminum versions - they weigh less so they are better for smaller shapers
    https://www.scosarg.com/whitehill-d-...y-limiter-head


    Nathan
    Last edited by nnieman; 01-30-2019, 11:43 AM.
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      Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

      Canadian source for cutters and knives
      http://www.mikestools.com/shaper-cutters_1144.aspx

      http://www.mikestools.com/CMT-Univer...92.078.19.aspx

      Nathan

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        Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

        Originally posted by rangerdave1 View Post
        I bought a new General Int. 40-250 shaper a few years back for a price I could not resist. For those not familliar wit this shaper, it is a 3hp with 3/4 spindle.

        It has been sitting collecting dust for 4 years now but I would like to put it to use. I do not have any tooling yet and every time I search online, I end up more confused then before. I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any threads that provide anything useful to me.

        I would like to start building raised or shaker style doors with the shaper with hopes that the larger cutters will give a better finish and decrease tearout which I am getting using the router bits now. I am also looking to get a miterlock cutter because I can't seem to use the one on the router table without always getting a lot of tear-out.

        can anyone point me to a relatively affordable rail/stile shapper cutter?? I know many buy a cutter head and seperate knives but what I available is quite expensive and I leaning towards a simple dedicated cutter be as I always build the same two types of doors..

        What is available for the 3/4" spindle in a door cutter and where can I get it?
        Hey Dave, another Bluenoser here! Born and raised in Beaverbank.....there are a few of us around.

        I did a little video series on shapers for small shops that might get you started on the right foot. Once you get used to using it, you're going to love it so I suggest a head that take replaceable knives that are cheap and work amazingly well. Often times you can fit both the coping cutters and the sticking cutters on the same set of knives so they're cheaper than you might think. If you can endure my amateur videography, give these a boo and see what you think:

        https://youtu.be/mylYGzZC2yU

        B
        Proud member of the Wadkin Blockhead Club.

        http://www.youtube.com/c/DovetailTimberworks

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          Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

          Originally posted by rangerdave1 View Post
          I bought a new General Int. 40-250 shaper a few years back for a price I could not resist. For those not familliar wit this shaper, it is a 3hp with 3/4 spindle.

          It has been sitting collecting dust for 4 years now but I would like to put it to use. I do not have any tooling yet and every time I search online, I end up more confused then before. I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any threads that provide anything useful to me.

          I would like to start building raised or shaker style doors with the shaper with hopes that the larger cutters will give a better finish and decrease tearout which I am getting using the router bits now. I am also looking to get a miterlock cutter because I can't seem to use the one on the router table without always getting a lot of tear-out.

          can anyone point me to a relatively affordable rail/stile shapper cutter?? I know many buy a cutter head and seperate knives but what I available is quite expensive and I leaning towards a simple dedicated cutter be as I always build the same two types of doors..

          What is available for the 3/4" spindle in a door cutter and where can I get it?
          Hi, I use a "Euroblock" head with HSS knives as has been recommended by others.

          Here's a link to Dimar

          http://www.dimar-canada.com/pdf/Mult...leCutters2.pdf

          I suggest that you purchase a head with limiters, to improve your safety. Part number 7760087 is a head that can run at the lowest speed on your shaper, which is 7,000 RPM. Unfortunately you don't have a lower speed such as 3,000 or 5 or 6,000, so your tooling choices are limited to the smaller cutters.

          If you look at knife 100 (Part number 3310040, and limiter 3410040, they produce a raised panel, and include the back cutter). That will produce a raised panel for you.

          Knives 16/17 will produce a shaker style rail and stile door, and if you want an ogee type rail and stile knife 94 will do that.

          Aside from a Euroblock head I always recommend a 125mm diameter carbide rebate head for jointing, rebating and pattern copying.

          Welcome to the interesting world of shapers.

          Too bad you're so far away from Toronto, the Felder shaper seminar is on Sept 21........Regards, Rod.

          P.S. If you can't find a 1.25" spindle for your shaper, you can use a 0.75 to 1.25" spacer, PM me your mailing address and I'll send you a pair.

          Here's a link to making tenons on a shaper, you'll need to make a coping sled for your machine.

          https://forum.canadianwoodworking.co...ns+on+a+shaper

          ......Rod.
          Last edited by Rod Sheridan; 01-30-2019, 12:23 PM.
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            Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

            Dave not to stop you from spending money but there is no reason why you can't eliminate tear out on your router. Most times tear out is caused by hurry. Slow down, use sharp cutters and smaller bites. Sneak up on the finish.
            "Do it Right!"

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              Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

              Hi Dave, you should understand that your shaper is quite a light duty unit, and the little 6205 skateboard bearings are infamous for giving out with larger cutter heads after a short time, so you really should stick to smaller cutter heads....I wouldn't pattern mill with a 125mm steel rebate block on that shaper. I would run either the block on page 92: http://whitehill.tools/catalogue/#page=93 which gives you the same block as the Dimar one referred to but with a free shear-cut rebate block or the one on page 5: http://whitehill.tools/catalogue/#page=5 which is just a Euroblock but in aluminum.
              Last edited by timberframe; 01-30-2019, 01:20 PM.
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                Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                If you haven't yet, invest in this book. It's the only book I know of that is up to date with respect to shaper safety methods: https://www.amazon.ca/Spindle-Moulde.../dp/0854421505

                B
                Proud member of the Wadkin Blockhead Club.

                http://www.youtube.com/c/DovetailTimberworks

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                  Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                  I started with a Busy Bee 3 hp shaper back in 1987. I found the shaper scary at 1st, so I purchased a small Delta 1/6 hp feeder. I bought a Freud 4 cutter cabinet door set, adding the 2 glass door cutters to that set. You swap out 2 of the cutters for building glass pane cupboard doors. Only used that set to make glass doors for 2 corner cabinets. I bought a 3 wing Freud raised panel cutter. I raise the panel in 3 passes using the power feeder. That got me into building kitchen cupboards or making new doors for refacing. I did the work part-time as a way to buy more tools or upgrade equipment for the workshop. You do need a hold down sled for the rails and stiles. I had a shop made version, but it needs to be able to hold stock at 90 degrees. I now have a Shop Fox hold down jig. Most cutters I have bought are 3/4" shaft.
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                    Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                    I agree with Rusty . If you are getting tear out on your router there is something wrong, either your bits or your method.

                    Brian
                    If your dreams don't scare you, you are not dreaming big enough

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                    • #11

                      Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                      Regarding the tearout on the router, I am using Lee Valley bits which are practically new, no nicks and hardly any use. I am running a Milkwaukee 5625 (3.5hp) router in a Kreg router lift. I am feeding slowly and seems to make little difference wether I make it in 1 pass or in several. I always seem to have a couple pieces out of 20 that tearout a lot. Perhaps its just those pieces of wood with grain directions that does not router well.. I was thinking and hoping that the larger shaper bit will cut better because of the different cutting angle. But Maybe thats just an unrealistic expectation...

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                        Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                        Originally posted by timberframe View Post
                        If you haven't yet, invest in this book. It's the only book I know of that is up to date with respect to shaper safety methods: https://www.amazon.ca/Spindle-Moulde.../dp/0854421505

                        B
                        Just ordered it!

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                          Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                          Originally posted by rangerdave1 View Post

                          Just ordered it!
                          Good man, get ready to have your mind blown....the cool stuff you can do with your shaper will surprise you. You're off on an adventure....
                          Proud member of the Wadkin Blockhead Club.

                          http://www.youtube.com/c/DovetailTimberworks

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                            Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                            Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I understand this machine is light duty and I certainly do not expect to run large cutters on it however it must have a purpose since they make shapers even smaller with 1.5hp motors...

                            I will add a power feeder on it when I can find a used one because they are too expensive when new.

                            Please keep sharing your suggestions along with your personal preferences and experiences

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                              Re: I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

                              Originally posted by rangerdave1 View Post
                              Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I understand this machine is light duty and I certainly do not expect to run large cutters on it however it must have a purpose since they make shapers even smaller with 1.5hp motors...

                              I will add a power feeder on it when I can find a used one because they are too expensive when new.

                              Please keep sharing your suggestions along with your personal preferences and experiences
                              You can certainly do lots of work on that machine that will be more enjoyable than on a screaming dust factory known as a router. They have their role and I own four of them, one in a table, but I do not use them if I don't have to. The shaper is just so much more enjoyable.

                              The motor horsepower unfortunately isn't the best way to gauge a shaper's capabilities. It's really about how stout the spindle/quill assembly is, and how capable the bearings are and that's hard to gauge from the outside. For example, my smaller, 2HP shaper has a quill and spindle assembly that weighs half as much as your entire machine. The bearings are as big around as a softball and cost a small fortune to replace. This machine can handle the radial loads that proper pattern milling would put on it all day. It's always really hard to advise folks about the capability of their machine, and I don't always trust the manufacturers.

                              Power feeders are a great addition and if you keep your eyes peeled, one will pop up!

                              B
                              Proud member of the Wadkin Blockhead Club.

                              http://www.youtube.com/c/DovetailTimberworks

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