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  • timberframe
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    Hi Dave, you should understand that your shaper is quite a light duty unit, and the little 6205 skateboard bearings are infamous for giving out with larger cutter heads after a short time, so you really should stick to smaller cutter heads....I wouldn't pattern mill with a 125mm steel rebate block on that shaper. I would run either the block on page 92: http://whitehill.tools/catalogue/#page=93 which gives you the same block as the Dimar one referred to but with a free shear-cut rebate block or the one on page 5: http://whitehill.tools/catalogue/#page=5 which is just a Euroblock but in aluminum.
    Last edited by timberframe; 01-30-2019, 01:20 PM.

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  • Rusty
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    Dave not to stop you from spending money but there is no reason why you can't eliminate tear out on your router. Most times tear out is caused by hurry. Slow down, use sharp cutters and smaller bites. Sneak up on the finish.

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  • Rod Sheridan
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    Originally posted by rangerdave1 View Post
    I bought a new General Int. 40-250 shaper a few years back for a price I could not resist. For those not familliar wit this shaper, it is a 3hp with 3/4 spindle.

    It has been sitting collecting dust for 4 years now but I would like to put it to use. I do not have any tooling yet and every time I search online, I end up more confused then before. I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any threads that provide anything useful to me.

    I would like to start building raised or shaker style doors with the shaper with hopes that the larger cutters will give a better finish and decrease tearout which I am getting using the router bits now. I am also looking to get a miterlock cutter because I can't seem to use the one on the router table without always getting a lot of tear-out.

    can anyone point me to a relatively affordable rail/stile shapper cutter?? I know many buy a cutter head and seperate knives but what I available is quite expensive and I leaning towards a simple dedicated cutter be as I always build the same two types of doors..

    What is available for the 3/4" spindle in a door cutter and where can I get it?
    Hi, I use a "Euroblock" head with HSS knives as has been recommended by others.

    Here's a link to Dimar

    http://www.dimar-canada.com/pdf/Mult...leCutters2.pdf

    I suggest that you purchase a head with limiters, to improve your safety. Part number 7760087 is a head that can run at the lowest speed on your shaper, which is 7,000 RPM. Unfortunately you don't have a lower speed such as 3,000 or 5 or 6,000, so your tooling choices are limited to the smaller cutters.

    If you look at knife 100 (Part number 3310040, and limiter 3410040, they produce a raised panel, and include the back cutter). That will produce a raised panel for you.

    Knives 16/17 will produce a shaker style rail and stile door, and if you want an ogee type rail and stile knife 94 will do that.

    Aside from a Euroblock head I always recommend a 125mm diameter carbide rebate head for jointing, rebating and pattern copying.

    Welcome to the interesting world of shapers.

    Too bad you're so far away from Toronto, the Felder shaper seminar is on Sept 21........Regards, Rod.

    P.S. If you can't find a 1.25" spindle for your shaper, you can use a 0.75 to 1.25" spacer, PM me your mailing address and I'll send you a pair.

    Here's a link to making tenons on a shaper, you'll need to make a coping sled for your machine.

    https://forum.canadianwoodworking.co...ns+on+a+shaper

    ......Rod.
    Last edited by Rod Sheridan; 01-30-2019, 12:23 PM.

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  • timberframe
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    Originally posted by rangerdave1 View Post
    I bought a new General Int. 40-250 shaper a few years back for a price I could not resist. For those not familliar wit this shaper, it is a 3hp with 3/4 spindle.

    It has been sitting collecting dust for 4 years now but I would like to put it to use. I do not have any tooling yet and every time I search online, I end up more confused then before. I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any threads that provide anything useful to me.

    I would like to start building raised or shaker style doors with the shaper with hopes that the larger cutters will give a better finish and decrease tearout which I am getting using the router bits now. I am also looking to get a miterlock cutter because I can't seem to use the one on the router table without always getting a lot of tear-out.

    can anyone point me to a relatively affordable rail/stile shapper cutter?? I know many buy a cutter head and seperate knives but what I available is quite expensive and I leaning towards a simple dedicated cutter be as I always build the same two types of doors..

    What is available for the 3/4" spindle in a door cutter and where can I get it?
    Hey Dave, another Bluenoser here! Born and raised in Beaverbank.....there are a few of us around.

    I did a little video series on shapers for small shops that might get you started on the right foot. Once you get used to using it, you're going to love it so I suggest a head that take replaceable knives that are cheap and work amazingly well. Often times you can fit both the coping cutters and the sticking cutters on the same set of knives so they're cheaper than you might think. If you can endure my amateur videography, give these a boo and see what you think:

    https://youtu.be/mylYGzZC2yU

    B

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  • nnieman
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    Canadian source for cutters and knives
    http://www.mikestools.com/shaper-cutters_1144.aspx

    http://www.mikestools.com/CMT-Univer...92.078.19.aspx

    Nathan

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  • nnieman
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    Separate knives are way cheaper than buying separate cutterheads.
    https://www.amazon.com/CMT-692-078-1.../dp/B000P4NP9O
    Knives from cmt or dimar for the above cutterhead are about $25 a set.


    Freud knives (or cmt or freborn equivalent brands) are about $100 a cutter (or more).

    https://www.wmooreprofiles.com/shape...tern-sets-6-pc

    If you aren't using a power feeder you might want to thinking cutters with limiters.
    Basically they take off a smaller bite so if your finger goes in you lose a finger tip not half a hand
    I use ones similar to these
    https://www.scosarg.com/whitehill-d-...l-limiter-head

    They also make aluminum versions - they weigh less so they are better for smaller shapers
    https://www.scosarg.com/whitehill-d-...y-limiter-head


    Nathan
    Last edited by nnieman; 01-30-2019, 11:43 AM.

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  • rangerdave1
    started a topic I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

    I have a 3hp shaper, now what tooling??

    I bought a new General Int. 40-250 shaper a few years back for a price I could not resist. For those not familliar wit this shaper, it is a 3hp with 3/4 spindle.

    It has been sitting collecting dust for 4 years now but I would like to put it to use. I do not have any tooling yet and every time I search online, I end up more confused then before. I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find any threads that provide anything useful to me.

    I would like to start building raised or shaker style doors with the shaper with hopes that the larger cutters will give a better finish and decrease tearout which I am getting using the router bits now. I am also looking to get a miterlock cutter because I can't seem to use the one on the router table without always getting a lot of tear-out.

    can anyone point me to a relatively affordable rail/stile shapper cutter?? I know many buy a cutter head and seperate knives but what I available is quite expensive and I leaning towards a simple dedicated cutter be as I always build the same two types of doors..

    What is available for the 3/4" spindle in a door cutter and where can I get it?

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