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  • Leo Van Der Loo
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    Don't forget that a lot of why we got the products out of China (Taiwan) was politics to have a place against the communists, and these people got preferential status and extra industrial help to build machines etc. for the USA and us as well, the same similar thing happened with Japan and where given the help to build the electronics, these machines and the electronics were developed in the USA and here and the EU.

    Companies did take the advantage to build with low cost labor and other incentives, and we all started buying lower cost products, forcing the other companies to either shut their doors or join in going to these countries.

    Expecting the same qualities as we were expecting or receiving here for much higher prices is of course not happening.

    In the case with Taiwan we got a bunch of crap, but they did catch on quickly and improved their products, with cost going up and some manufacturers still trying to sell lower priced and lower quality, going to Indonesia or Korea etc. and later to mainland China.

    China has poured enormous amounts of energy into getting better and the Communist can do whatever they like really, with money pouring in they were schooling their people and bringing teachers and specialists from the west, and building and developing everything in a record time and still are.

    They are stealing information on how things are made and developments that are done anywhere, with enough people to produce everything and boatloads of money now they are as powerful as anyone, we started it and we will have to deal with what it has become, it will cost us to stay ahead if we can/will.

    Oh just to add, the crap we bought before will stay crap unless we demand better or buy made here in NA.



    Last edited by Leo Van Der Loo; 09-19-2019, 04:14 PM.

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  • Canuck Bob
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    Al I appreciate your input. My small windfall hit an unexpected tax problem which should be worked out one way or another shortly. The solid advice about the two modern designed Euro type machines seems echoed by everyone who took the plunge. I think for fun and interest I'll start a new thread.

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  • al.m..
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    Originally posted by Canuck Bob View Post
    Rod, my best buddy has a Large Felder Slider and I think a 16" Felder Combo unit. I admit if my health circumstances warranted the investment I would step up to Euro. However, I have the use of his iron so for the handful of times it would be needed I'm really lucky.

    I'm researching the CWI Scorpion 12 inch helical jointer/planer. I don't have much room but the 12" jointer and 55" bed capacity in a manageable size sure is tempting. I am sold on helical carbide tooling. Which unit is your jointer/planer? I assume from your post that you are happy with the purchase.
    i know your post was aimed at Rod,hope you don't mind my two cents
    i previously had a hammer a3-31, I am quite certain that is what Rod has,12" jointer/ planer combo
    outstanding machine in much less space than any separates you could buy,new or vintage.
    change over is a non issue,mere moments.
    cant comment on the Cwi ,no doubt it shares a lot of the advantages of the hammer.
    i now have a felder combo slider/ shaper/jointer/ planer
    love it
    that said,I'm convinced a slider/ shaper combo as well as a jointer/ planer combo (2 machines)is the ultimate for a small shop
    Last edited by al.m..; 09-18-2019, 09:02 PM.

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  • Canuck Bob
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    Rod, my best buddy has a Large Felder Slider and I think a 16" Felder Combo unit. I admit if my health circumstances warranted the investment I would step up to Euro. However, I have the use of his iron so for the handful of times it would be needed I'm really lucky.

    I'm researching the CWI Scorpion 12 inch helical jointer/planer. I don't have much room but the 12" jointer and 55" bed capacity in a manageable size sure is tempting. I am sold on helical carbide tooling. Which unit is your jointer/planer? I assume from your post that you are happy with the purchase.

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  • timberframe
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    Originally posted by Jim DaddyO View Post
    Blaming "China" for poor quality stuff as a blanket statement is not a true pursuit. Factories, any where in the world, build to the specifications and quality control the contracts stipulate. They do no more, and no less. If you order crap, you get crap. If you order better, that's what you get. If you want to put blame anywhere, put it on the name tag on the product. They ordered it to those specs, or did not quantify the quality assurance checks, or let some other area go to cut costs.
    Agree but the same product, built to the same specs will often be more expensive if built in NA or western Europe because the employees are paid properly and they have to adhere to at least some environmental standards in and around their factories.

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  • Rod Sheridan
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    Originally posted by Canuck Bob View Post
    I might come into a few extra bucks for equipment :-).

    European was tempting till I did some price research!
    I find European often is tempting after I look at pricing

    For example I have a 12" jointer/planer. It's less expensive than a stand alone jointer and planer, and takes up less space.

    I also have a sliding saw/shaper which once again is less expensive than separate saws and shapers.

    Regards, Rod.

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  • Jim DaddyO
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    Blaming "China" for poor quality stuff as a blanket statement is not a true pursuit. Factories, any where in the world, build to the specifications and quality control the contracts stipulate. They do no more, and no less. If you order crap, you get crap. If you order better, that's what you get. If you want to put blame anywhere, put it on the name tag on the product. They ordered it to those specs, or did not quantify the quality assurance checks, or let some other area go to cut costs.

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  • timberframe
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    Originally posted by Brian @ Muir View Post
    My DJ 20 was made in China, discovered that on a Friday evening. Thought I would take it back on Monday. Tried it on weekend and kept it another 8 years. I get a kick out of people that complain of Asian/ Chinese crap. If it was not for the Asian countries we wouldn’t have our electronics to complain about the junk and would probably have no clothes to wear.

    Brian
    No, we'd still have all those things, but we wouldn't put up with them going out of date /becoming obsolete so quickly and we'd look after them better. We also wouldn't have such a disposable culture. We might be better off!

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  • Brian @ Muir
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    My DJ 20 was made in China, discovered that on a Friday evening. Thought I would take it back on Monday. Tried it on weekend and kept it another 8 years. I get a kick out of people that complain of Asian/ Chinese crap. If it was not for the Asian countries we wouldn’t have our electronics to complain about the junk and would probably have no clothes to wear.

    Brian

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  • Leo Van Der Loo
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    We still have Oneway building the best Wood turning lathes, wood chucks and sharpening setups, and yes quality does cost $$.

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  • rangerdave1
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    When I bought my Delta unisaw and DJ20, I was excitted that they were american tools. After setting them up in my shop, I read the tags and saw that they were made in Taiwan. Those tools immediately never worked as a good as before...

    hard to find anything north american made these days. And when you can, the price certainly reflects it.

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  • al.m..
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    Perhaps a used euro slider,maybe with a tilting arbor shaper might be worth a look

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  • TedBrown
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    NorthField Woodworking Machinery, established in 1920 in Northfield Minnesota; beyond expensive but about the best one can buy I have read.

    They have records of every machine they have made and will rebuild to specs most if not all of what they have made.

    http://northfieldwoodworking.com

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  • Canuck Bob
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    I have accepted the inevitable. My research will be about the differences or lack of difference between readily available models that I'm interested in. Casual searching indicates satisfied customers for most brands and research will be fun.

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  • Rusty
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    When you're dealing with machines in today's world you are going to be getting parts and pieces from all over the world no matter what machine you buy. Correct me if you think I'm wrong by all means, but make sure you thoroughly check before you speak. We went through this topic a couple of years ago and even the vaunted German/Austrian brands were only assembled from boxes of parts made in various locations and shipped to their final assembly location.

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