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  • #16

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    I think Cole owns Canadian Woodworker. Has more than one but not sure how many stores in Western Canada and obviously sells General and General Intl. We got to get a life, me on here at 1am and god Knows where you are tonight.

    Brian
    If your dreams don't scare you, you are not dreaming big enough

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    • #17

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      Originally posted by C. MOORE View Post
      The General in western Canada goes for $1279.00 WITH canisters for $1279.00 when it is NOT on sale....the same machine WITHOUT canisters can go for around $800 when on sale. The Tegs website is misleading...I am sure they do not sell any at that price.

      The Grizzly is cheaper....although it does not have CSA aproved electrics and does not have the upgraded machined...explosion proof...aluminum impeller like the General. The canisters are not of the same quality level either.

      As you may be aware i sell alot of General and i have sold King and Delta and a few others. General can be more expensive and sometimes machines can be similar with competitors...but overall i find you get better features and performance with General than you do with other low priced tools.

      I tend to stand by the saying "you almost always get what you pay for"...yes there are exceptions once in awhile...but normally this saying stands.

      Cole
      What do you mean by explosion proof? An aluminum impeller can only reduce the risk of sparking doesnít mean it canít still happen.

      Rick

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      • #18

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        "We got to get a life, me on here at 1am and god Knows where you are tonight"

        Good catch Brian, I am actually working in New Zealand at the moment. You're right, we need a life!!

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        • #19

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          Originally posted by C. MOORE View Post
          The General in western Canada goes for $1279.00 WITH canisters for $1279.00 when it is NOT on sale....the same machine WITHOUT canisters can go for around $800 when on sale. The Tegs website is misleading...I am sure they do not sell any at that price.

          The Grizzly is cheaper....although it does not have CSA aproved electrics and does not have the upgraded machined...explosion proof...aluminum impeller like the General. The canisters are not of the same quality level either.

          As you may be aware i sell alot of General and i have sold King and Delta and a few others. General can be more expensive and sometimes machines can be similar with competitors...but overall i find you get better features and performance with General than you do with other low priced tools.

          I tend to stand by the saying "you almost always get what you pay for"...yes there are exceptions once in awhile...but normally this saying stands.

          Cole
          Cole,
          I think you mean to say non sparking or similar wording with respect to the aluminum impeller.

          Bill Pentz adamantly discourages the use of aluminum impellers because the do in fact explode on impact. They do not spark, but they will explode.

          Don

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          • #20

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            Originally posted by Don Burch View Post
            Bill Pentz adamantly discourages the use of aluminum impellers because the do in fact explode on impact. They do not spark, but they will explode.
            I would not buy a DC with a cast aluminum impeller, no way, no how.

            Cheers!

            Gary

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            • #21

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              Originally posted by Gary Madore View Post
              I would not buy a DC with a cast aluminum impeller, no way, no how.

              Cheers!

              Gary

              OK, I'll bite, why not?

              My collector has a cast aluminum impeller, which seems to be common for the Oneida cyclones.

              I guess it could shed a blade if it was defective, however it would never leave the inside of the blower housing, the steel is very thick.

              It's a 2 stage device, so aside from extremely fine dust, there wouldn't be any possibility of foreign objects impacting the impeller.

              Regards, Rod.
              Work is the curse of the riding class.

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              • #22

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                Originally posted by Rod Sheridan View Post
                OK, I'll bite, why not?
                Rod,

                Ignorance, predjudice and personal preference, I guess

                I fly fish and have learned to not trust cast aluminum reels due to the possibility of defects causing failure of the reel.

                The first thing I did when I bought my boat was to ditch the cast aluminum prop and replace it with a machined steel one.

                So, I am concerned with catastrophic failure, but I hadn't considered that the housing may be sturdy enough to contain the disintegrating impeller's fragments... Frags make me nervous ;)

                I'd have to have faith in a company's quality control before I'd be found anywhere near a cast part spinning at high RPM, and my thoughts on overseas quality control, regardless of the brand, are well known.

                So, yeah, it's just a feeling based on no evidence, but it would take some convincing to get me to stand close to one.

                Maybe I'm just a candya$$

                Cheers!

                Gary

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                • #23

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                  How can you tell if your impeller is cast or not, the lack of weld points?
                  Why do people keep calling me Rob?

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                  • #24

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                    You will be hard pressed to find an industrial supply of Dust collectors that have a steel impeller It is a fire regulation and some of these industry ones are in the 25 hp and up range. I had phoned Murphy Dust Systems in Cambridge a few months ago seeking the specific Act and all he knew was that it was a Fire Regulation and all commercial are aluminum. My Toolex 2 hp unit has an Aluminum impellar and 4 years ago I was sanding on a workbench and had the 4 in DC hose taped to the table. All of a sudden there was a terrible banging noise coming from the DC. I rushed over and turned it off and back on again and the noise was gone so that is as far as I checked.I was in a hurray. I went back to sanding and reached for my 12 in. wooden handle brush and suddenly discovered what the banging was. Looked into the bag and my horse hair brush was in a million pieces. It had no effect on the impellar and it still runs as good today as it ever has.
                    There is certainly a lot of good info on Bill Pentz`s site but I don`t believe it to be gospel. I believe people such as Oneida, Murphy, Kraemer, Torit and many others are also very knowledgeable.

                    Brian

                    Brian
                    If your dreams don't scare you, you are not dreaming big enough

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                    • #25

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                      Yes you are correct ...I did mean that the aluminum impeller will not spark and therefor won't contribute to a fire in your dust collector. The term "explosion proof" may just be a "sales termanology" i have grown up with but i think it is actually used in the technical aspects of the dust collection world...I may be wrong but the term does get the point accross.

                      The other advantage is the aluminum impeller is machined to be balanced properly and tends to be more reliable than the welded steel impeller for running smoothly. When it runs smoother it is also easier on the motor and tends to run a little quieter.

                      General uses aluminum in their 2HP and 3HP unit...they also have it in a 1HP but no one really sells it anymore...the 1.5HP is welded steel...it is considered by General to be more of a price point issue on the 1 and 1.5hp units.

                      Cole

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                      • #26

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                        Originally posted by Bob R., Ottawa View Post
                        How can you tell if your impeller is cast or not, the lack of weld points?
                        Bob,
                        A cast impeller will have a dull consistent surface except where nibs and other rough points are machined off. And there will be nice shiny holes around the circumference where material is removed for balancing. And as you note a lack of weld points where the vanes are attached. A machined impeller would not have any weld points either, but I doubt that you or I will ever own a machine that has one - $$$$$$

                        Casting is the cheapest manufacturing process and has the greatest chance of inconsistent metallurgy.

                        Don

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                        • #27

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                          I believe the explosion they speak of is the explosion of the sawdust from a spark not the impeller flying apart.
                          "Do it Right!"

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                          • #28

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                            Originally posted by Don Burch View Post
                            Casting is the cheapest manufacturing process and has the greatest chance of inconsistent metallurgy.
                            Indeed

                            Cheers!

                            Gary

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                            • #29

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                              Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                              I believe the explosion they speak of is the explosion of the sawdust from a spark not the impeller flying apart.
                              If "They" is the distributor, then yes. However the manufacturer does not advertise as such, rather:

                              "Precision spin-balanced aluminum impeller for smooth operation,minimal noise and to reduce the risk of sparking."

                              Reduced risk of sparking is a long way from explosion proof, and I would think that static discharge sparking would easily occur in the presence of an aluminum impeller.

                              Don
                              Last edited by Don Burch; 05-05-2010, 10:13 AM. Reason: correcting text.

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                              • #30

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                                Originally posted by Don Burch View Post
                                If "They" is the manufacturer, then yes. However the manufacturer does not advertise as such, rather:

                                "Precision spin-balanced aluminum impeller for smooth operation,minimal noise and to reduce the risk of sparking."

                                Reduced risk of sparking is a long way from explosion proof, and I would think that static discharge sparking would easily occur in the presence of an aluminum impeller.

                                Don
                                Don I'm not suggesting "they" is the manufacturer but rather the person or persons who brought the word explosion to the conversation. Your posting "Precision spin-balanced aluminum impeller for smooth operation,minimal noise and to reduce the risk of sparking." explains the manufacturer's position correctly. Nowhere do they mention explosion and I'm just pointing out what I think was being imparted by the use of the word. Sawdust in a system is supposedly susceptible to exploding into flame [I've never seen it.]
                                "Do it Right!"

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