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  • #31

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    Originally posted by Rusty View Post
    Don I'm not suggesting "they" is the manufacturer but rather the person or persons who brought the word explosion to the conversation. Your posting "Precision spin-balanced aluminum impeller for smooth operation,minimal noise and to reduce the risk of sparking." explains the manufacturer's position correctly. Nowhere do they mention explosion and I'm just pointing out what I think was being imparted by the use of the word. Sawdust in a system is supposedly susceptible to exploding into flame [I've never seen it.]
    Sorry. Head and fingers not always unified.

    Don

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    • #32

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      I think this thread deviated from Grizzly waiving their brokerage fees (which I'm glad).



      ...just sayin'
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      • #33

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        Can't find a decent Thread Cop any more.

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        • #34

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          Originally posted by kcjones View Post

          Please let us know how it goes. I may get the 2hp canister DC model
          G0548Z. It is back ordered a couple weeks. The 1 1/5 HP GI 10-105CFM1 would be an additional $100 at least. Both canisters are spun bond polyester.
          What's with the non CSA rating on the Grizz motor, is that a problem?
          Ken

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          • #35

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            Originally posted by DalbergiaGuy View Post
            What's with the non CSA rating on the Grizz motor, is that a problem?
            Technically they shouldn't be selling in Canada without a CSA ( if it has a ULc label, your good to go) label but when push comes to shove they would just pull out of the market. They can't be bothered.

            If it were used in a commercial/industrial setting it would, at minimum, need a hydro inspection to be legal but I don't think that applies to home work shop use. Cost is likely to be two to three hundred dollars.

            I just had the CSA inspector in at work and his bill was slightly more than $400 for about 20 minutes work.
            Last edited by Claude in Kitchener; 05-06-2010, 03:32 PM.
            Claude


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            • #36

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              Originally posted by Claude in Kitchener View Post
              Technically they shouldn't be selling in Canada without a CSA ( if it has a ULc label, your good to go) label but when push comes to shove they would just pull out of the market. They can't be bothered.

              If it were used in a commercial/industrial setting it would, at minimum, need a hydro inspection to be legal but I don't think that applies to home work shop use. Cost is likely to be two to three hundred dollars.

              I just had the CSA inspector in at work and his bill was slightly more than $400 for about 20 minutes work.
              Claude,

              There are a number of allowable certifications in play in Canada at the present time. CSA use to be the only one, but they have lost their monopoly position.
              I bought a steam shower that is Intertek Listed. It is a widely accepted certification.

              Don

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              • #37

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                Originally posted by kcjones View Post
                Looks like you have a nice unit coming your way. I took a look at the manual. A pretty comprehensive section on setting up the system - ducting, SP losses.

                Don

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                • #38

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                  It does look like a good machine. I guess I'll have to get the electrical connections ready for it's arrival and start buying some 6" ducting.
                  I think I wll go with metal ducting just for the convenience.I was going to reduce from 7" to 6" right away at the machine and go with a main line of 6" and reduce to 4" at the machines. I guess I will have to start jockeying some of the machines around to get the best system.
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                  • #39

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                    Originally posted by kcjones View Post
                    It does look like a good machine. I guess I'll have to get the electrical connections ready for it's arrival and start buying some 6" ducting.
                    I think I wll go with metal ducting just for the convenience.I was going to reduce from 7" to 6" right away at the machine and go with a main line of 6" and reduce to 4" at the machines. I guess I will have to start jockeying some of the machines around to get the best system.
                    If the machine is designed for 7" then look at that for your main first. 7" ducting can handle 300 CFM more than 6". You may as well get everything you can out of the machine.
                    You can use Bill Penz static calculator to do some of the math for you.
                    http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/testsnfaqs.cfm

                    Don

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                    • #40

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                      Originally posted by C. MOORE View Post
                      The General in western Canada goes for $1279.00 WITH canisters for $1279.00 when it is NOT on sale....the same machine WITHOUT canisters can go for around $800 when on sale. The Tegs website is misleading...I am sure they do not sell any at that price.

                      The Grizzly is cheaper....although it does not have CSA aproved electrics and does not have the upgraded machined...explosion proof...aluminum impeller like the General. The canisters are not of the same quality level either.

                      As you may be aware i sell alot of General and i have sold King and Delta and a few others. General can be more expensive and sometimes machines can be similar with competitors...but overall i find you get better features and performance with General than you do with other low priced tools.

                      I tend to stand by the saying "you almost always get what you pay for"...yes there are exceptions once in awhile...but normally this saying stands.

                      Cole
                      Normally I would not respond to posts like this as there are many "keyboard experts" out there. However, since you have made unsubstantiated negative comments about Grizzly machines I feel compelled to set the record straight even though it veers from the original thread subject.

                      1) We deal with the same factory as the comparative machine referred to in your post (General). There is no performance/quality difference on the canisters as you indicate in your post.

                      2) Your claim that the General has "machined" aluminum impellers is also false.Their impellers are cast aluminum. I know this for a fact. For clarification, a machined impeller would be one where it is machined out of a solid billet (a block of aluminum). If you have ever seen that process you would realize that it would be cost prohibitive to put a machined impeller on a small dust collector.

                      3) Balancing a cast aluminum impeller is no different than balancing a steel impeller. Holes are generally drilled in the back to "balance" the round object, be it an impeller or a bandsaw wheel. Very similar to the idea of wheel weights on a car's wheel, where they add weight instead of removing weight. All this is done on a special balancing machine that most of these factories have.

                      By the way, Yeti - thank you!
                      Last edited by papagrizzly; 05-07-2010, 04:08 PM.

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                      • #41

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                        Papagrizzly, is that you Shiraz? or someone else in Grizzly?

                        It would be very nice to see the president of another major tool company here on the forum!

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                        • #42

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                          Papagrizzly,

                          If you are who i think you are then you will have much more knowledge on your dust collector than i do and most likely more on General's as i have not been to the factory.

                          I did make an assumption on the quality of your canisters...i did so because of the low price you are marketing the dust collector at. With your knowledge you will know there are indeed differing qualities of canisters available. I will take you at your word if you claim yours are identical to General's.

                          Yes i am aware the aluminum impeller will be cast and then machined. I think most would think this way. To machine out an impeller from a solid block of aluminum would seem silly and cost prohibitive.

                          Yes welded steel impellers are balanced as well...but i personally believe a solid chunk of aluminum...machined for balance.... has its advantages. Obviously both made well will work in their applications. I am sure with your knowledge and experience you have also seen many poor quality steel impellers.

                          My other points to your dust collector are that it is not CSA aproved. Am i wrong here too?

                          I don't believe i made any negative comments on your machine. I was pointing out what i felt were the benifits of the General machine over yours. Maybe I could have worded it differently!

                          What gauge of steel do you use on your machine and what gauge does General use?

                          Cole

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                          • #43

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                            mreza - It is Shiraz.

                            C. Moore - you berated a couple of companies because they compete with you. That may sit fine with you, but it doesn't me, specially when one of those companies is mine, and the facts baseless.

                            CSA was not brought up in my points of contention with what you said. Some of our products are CSA, ETL approved, more being processed, but that doesn't mean the machine is substandard. Since we never marketed to Canada before, we saw no reason to apply for CSA on the majority of the products. Millions of American customers have been thoroughly satisfied with our products and continue to use them daily in small shops as well industrial shops.

                            Drilling holes in the back of a cast impeller to balance it doesn't classify it as a "machined" impeller.

                            Finally, as you found out, when you say things in the confines of your store to make a sale, you could get away with a lot. However, when you say it on a forum which is possibly read by the world, you should have facts, specially when you are trying to sell things, or you will be called to the carpet.

                            As far as the thickness of the steel - so if I prove that the thickness is the same, are you then going to ask me for the grade of screws that were used, or the durometer of the rubber in the casters (that will be the hardness of rubber)? I think I have made my point here.

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                            • #44

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                              Originally posted by C. MOORE View Post
                              Papagrizzly,

                              I did make an assumption on the quality of your canisters...i did so because of the low price you are marketing the dust collector at.

                              I don't believe i made any negative comments on your machine. I was pointing out what i felt were the benifits of the General machine over yours. Maybe I could have worded it differently!

                              Cole
                              Cole, your claim that Grizzly's canisters were of inferior quality without first hand knowledge can come off as sales pitchy. Let me ask you, do you think General's canisters are better than the Craftex Canisters? Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I can guess you have not compared either 3 up close or are aware which factory in Taiwan these canisters are produced. Claiming that one is better than the other is not fair to your customers or people reading here.

                              As you mentioned, you made this assumption due to the price point of the DC.
                              Originally posted by C. MOORE View Post
                              I tend to stand by the saying "you almost always get what you pay for"...yes there are exceptions once in awhile...but normally this saying stands.
                              Cole
                              Those once in a whiles can come around more often, you just have to look a bit closer when comparing apples to apples.


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                              • #45

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                                Originally posted by papagrizzly View Post
                                mreza -

                                CSA was not brought up in my points of contention with what you said. Some of our products are CSA, ETL approved, more being processed, but that doesn't mean the machine is substandard. Since we never marketed to Canada before, we saw no reason to apply for CSA on the majority of the products. Millions of American customers have been thoroughly satisfied with our products and continue to use them daily in small shops as well industrial shops.
                                I didn't get the impression that anyone implied your products were substandard because a lack of a CSA approval, at least I certainly didn't intend to imply that!

                                The Canadian market is rather small when compared to the US market and sometimes I wonder about the commitment of a US retailer when entering the Canadian market. Are they just trying to weather the economic storm only to pull out later when times are good? Etc etc.

                                Your efforts to obtain CSA approval on your products shows commitment, in my eyes anyway. Therefor, I would like to retract my earlier statement that you couldn't be bothered with the Canadian market if CSA approval were forced on you. Please accept my apology!

                                CSA and UL standards are more inline with each other than ever before but CSA has been the ruling body in Canada for a long time. There are other standards as well but I'm not familiar with them nor their level of acceptance in Canada.

                                It would be nice to know what standards a particular product meets before purchase. Is that information available on your web site?

                                Thanks for your participation on this forum. It's always nice to get info "from the horse's mouth" so to speak.
                                Claude


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