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  • #31

    Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

    The speed reducer is a D.O. James. There's still quite a bit of oil in it - I'll flush it and refill. The speed reducer is out, the handwheel is out and off, and now the only remaining things are the two motors and the table raising assemblies. I'm very close to stripping it down and getting ready to paint it.

    Interestingly, I found that the handwheel shaft bracket seems to be babbitt-poured around the shaft. There are weep holes with a little babbitt coming out, and the overall color and material matches up to my eye. Porter clearly set the handwheel and shaft up so that the gear mesh at the end was ideal with the table-raising cog, then captured that shaft position somehow and poured the babbitt. Fascinating. Too bad there are no other examples of this machine torn apart to compare what I'm finding against other machines.

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    • #32

      Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

      The infeed roller is completely disassembled. Here are all of the parts, in the order they go back together. Not shown are 6 of the segments of toothed rolls - they're soaking in mineral spirits are they still had a ton of grease packed in. So there are a total of 12 rolls. The springs are oriented perpendicular to the other roller assemblies I've seen.

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      • #33

        Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

        Great thread, keep up the awesome work and keep posting if you please

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        • #34

          Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

          The motor is disassembled. Rotor out. There were two 1-7/8" nuts acting as bearing retainers on each end. Those were tight. I like using the setup below to brace/hold delicate round objects for various tasks. The clamps and their length and weight help stabilize and act as leverage for you to torque, remove, or use a puller.

          Bearings off as well. They're soaking in mineral spirits to remove the grease and grime. The pulley-side bearing seems okay. The rear-end bearing sounds terrible. I'm going to flush both and see if they're salvageable. They are USA made bearings. I'll get the exact number and manufacturer tomorrow. They seem like nice bearings - the motor is a Howell.

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          • #35

            Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

            Motor bearings are Ahlberg.

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            The most difficult thing I've been trying to remove/disassemble on this entire machine has turned out to be the Reeves pulley on the feed motor.

            Anyone have any pointers if you've gone through something similar? I already unscrewed the grease zerk on the end. My puller started to peel or bend the aluminum pulley cover. I assume it's packed with grease, perhaps a spring inside?

            Here's the model number of the Reeves part as well.

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            Here's a before and after of the feedworks gears after I finished removing grease and rust off of everything. The parts are cleaning up well.

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            • #36

              Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

              Shucks. No takers on advice for removing the Reeves pulley?

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              • #37

                Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                Originally posted by Drewes View Post
                Shucks. No takers on advice for removing the Reeves pulley?
                Yes, don't f it up!

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                • #38

                  Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                  Originally posted by Drewes View Post
                  Shucks. No takers on advice for removing the Reeves pulley?
                  Have a look at the following link.

                  http://www.master-pt.com/images/pdf/...-sr-pulley.pdf

                  Do you have a picture of the back of the pulley between the motor and the pulley? I bet there is a setscrew.

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                  • #39

                    Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                    Originally posted by ezermester View Post

                    Have a look at the following link.

                    http://www.master-pt.com/images/pdf/...-sr-pulley.pdf

                    Do you have a picture of the back of the pulley between the motor and the pulley? I bet there is a setscrew.
                    The variable speed pulley on my General 330 was a Lovejoy 160 and it was the same with set screws on the backside. If you look at this picture there are two set screws. The one you can see that secured the collar to the hollow shaft and another that if you look close came all the way through and pressed on the key.
                    I was lucky enough to find a NOS one on eBay.
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                    • #40

                      Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                      Thanks for the help. Those are great resources and pictures. That's why I posted here, so thank you.

                      I don't see a collar with the set screws but there are two indentations on the backside of the pulley itself (the part in the diagram listed as the "fixed disc"). Those indentations are hard tk see, but there are two of them. I'll try some Allen keys in them tomorrow and see. That said, i don't see what those would be holding on, or how they'd be securing anything, but I'll see. They look purposeful enough and are perfectly symmetrical.

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                      • #41

                        Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                        Looking at the link that ezermester posted it looks to me like the Reeves collar might look more like this.

                        Mike @ Buck Lake

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                        • #42

                          Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                          Mike, I don't see that collar anywhere on mine. There's a chance there are set screws hidden by the two "discs" that comprise the pulley. I'll try to pull them apart and look tomorrow, along with trying Allen keys in those holes on the backside on the stationary disc.

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                          • #43

                            Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                            I couldn't see a collar in your pictures either.
                            Good luck.
                            Mike @ Buck Lake

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                            • #44

                              Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                              Well boys, it's off and the motor is completely disassembled. During disassembly the spring shot out and hit me in the chest. On a lesser man it would've left a mark.

                              So, that aluminum end cap that says "Reeves Pulley, etc." on it is actually threaded onto the stationary disc. I used a rubber strap wrench to un-thread it.

                              There were two set screws under the spring-loaded disc. So thank you to the crowd here - there were two set screws, just in a different spot.

                              After that, the stationary disc is just press-fit on the rotor shaft, so once those set screws are off I tapped it off with a block of wood and a mallet.

                              There was a lot of mouse dander and literal **** in the motor. The mice got at some of the tape on the windings (pic shown below) so I'll be re-varnishing to insulate the windings. I'm going to look up the bearings before deciding if I'm removing them. I'm going to reach out to Dave. They sound fine actually, but if I can find them for a song I'll replace them.

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                              • #45

                                Re: Porter No. 405 Planer

                                Nice job.
                                Glad to see you got it apart. Everything looks pretty good in there.
                                Mike @ Buck Lake

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