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  • #16

    Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

    Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

    sorry boys i use a sissy 400HP tractor for loading
    400 hp tractor. I don't think so.

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    • #17

      Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

      Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

      Originally posted by North Woods Forman View Post
      400 hp tractor. I don't think so.

      If its a Massy then you are maxed out at 340hp

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      • #18

        Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

        Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

        Who cares...

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        • #19

          Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

          Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

          Originally posted by North Woods Forman View Post
          400 hp tractor. I don't think so.



          no really its 120HP from what Dave told me.


          jack
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          jack
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          • #20

            Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

            Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

            Now that one above is over 400 HP! Nice jointer Jack, looking forward to seeing the rebuild pics. I really enjoyed the pics you posted back awhile ago on the wadkin table saw you rebuilt. Very nice.

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            • #21

              Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

              Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

              Originally posted by North Woods Forman View Post
              Now that one above is over 400 HP! Nice jointer Jack, looking forward to seeing the rebuild pics. I really enjoyed the pics you posted back awhile ago on the wadkin table saw you rebuilt. Very nice.
              thanks

              jack
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              • #22

                Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                here are some more pic that I think you will find intersting

                A grown man can not pick this motor up and I don't care how big you are. that's a tall boy can of beer for scale. I found this Wadkin motor with wadkin pulley's the right size for the head on the machines. this never happens. and the good part is it was free, so I have the head motor. I also got the electrics out of Daves Wadkin RM he is changing to single phase, so I have a starter for a 15hp motor, the PO's rig was a joke.



                the head is missing a bolt for the clam and some of the bolts don't look wadkin



                this a wadkin bolt it has a round head



                these are not but there is the same one on the there side for balance


                just so you can get a sence of the size of the jointer i put a tall beer on the table



                Now friend Arthuror Matty may be the only one that will appreciate these next pics

                the rack pinon handle is diffident from my older 16" RD its ARN with more webs. it could be use as a dating tool. so this machines is i would think after world war 2 when Britain had many aluminum foundry for the war effort.



                the wadkin head tool and the canting table



                jointer(planner) tables crank



                see next post


                jack
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                • #23

                  Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                  Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                  dirty papers(manual)



                  notice the 25 hrzs


                  jack
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                  jack
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                  • #24

                    Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                    Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                    Very cool!!
                    Once you get a chance please post the picture of one of the blades. I really like to see how you get a skewed (single) blade on a jointer.

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                    • #25

                      Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                      Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                      Originally posted by jgarrett forsberg View Post
                      notice the 25 hrzs

                      jack
                      English machines
                      Wow... that's a first for me. What's the name plate rpm on the Wadkin motor you've got there Jack...? I'm assuming it's also rated for 25Hz power.

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                      • #26

                        Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                        Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                        I had a 1954 Seybold-Harris 45" guillotine in the print shop with a converted 7.5 Hp 25 Hz motor. I think the changeover was '57.

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                        • #27

                          Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                          Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                          love this machine! keep posting!
                          Grillzy

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                          • #28

                            Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                            Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                            I will in the next few days upload my progress on the wadkin. I hope you enjoy the rebuild. I have worked it piece mill and it is getting there. This has got to be the biggest machine i have ever work on.

                            so far;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

                            I have pull the head out of the Wadkin RM and work the cutter block.
                            There was a stud and plate bolt missing in the head and i did not like the looks of the others. The thing that got me the most was I needed a 48"cheater pipe to brake the nut free of the head,so they were way to tight.

                            there is an old saying about moulding knife bolts::::
                            if you turn nut over and it wont thread on the threads are stretched. Most are that way and so here is were i need help.

                            the forged steel plate type cutterblock is really a great head with its skewed knifes and is also able to take moulding knifes. I did get the tool(spanner) for the head bolts that has short handle ,so i would think 60 to 100lbs is all that is need on the nuts.
                            any care to comment?

                            question
                            is there a source for the studs , and what is the grade of metal/thread etc?
                            the ones in there now appear to be mild steel.
                            They BSW 5/8" by 11
                            The plates are tapered and so the studs lengths are long on one side and get shorter as you go across.




                            some pics

                            here is the block with the missing bolt as i got the machine



                            this nut does not look wadkin

                            this is a Wadkin nut with the rounded top.


                            wadkin RM 26" over under


                            head removal







                            nice bearing on this one
                            2 RM 12 self aliening double rowed brass cage on the drive side with a 2308 SKF to the out board

                            hand scraped bearing retainer cap.

                            the head capless




                            jack
                            English machines


                            jack
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                            • #29

                              Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                              Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                              Matty a mate down under found this and i quote


                              Originally posted by L.S.Barker1970
                              Jack, back from a break so I had a little time to search through a copy of Wadkin's Tools and Accessories Catalog.
                              Found this page with some steel specifications and sizes, Wadkin also go on to state on another page that the tensile strength of this specially selected heat treated alloy steel should be around 60 tons, oohee !

                              Originally posted by tool613
                              the forged steel plate type cutterblock is really a great head with its skewed knifes and is also able to take moulding knifes. I did get the tool(spanner) for the head bolts that has short handle ,so i would think 60 to 100lbs is all that is need on the nuts.
                              any care to comment?
                              Jack
                              Jack did some tests tightening up bolts by hand and then checking them over with a torque wrench, got them to around 80 to 90 lbs and I was happy with that, any more and there is a chance of shortening the nut and bolts life more quickly, stretching treads etc.
                              I would always tighten by hand to gain a good "Feel" for the tension applied, I would not just rely on a torque wrench alone, even one of those posh Warren and Brown numbers,
                              I like to still check by hand and spanner, thats just me..
                              My saw Doctor Friend definitely had a big box of those nuts with T head bolts, he's back on board in February if you can hang on till then Jack, pretty sure they were the right thread too.

                              Melbourne Matty.

                              got the head cleaned up and ready to store until i am ready to work the other parts.I wanted to clean the rust and look at the bearing any way. here are some pics of the workings of the wadkin plate/clam head

                              here you can see that the cutter block is tapered on the sides the jointer knifes plates/clam go.



                              the wadkin head has keyed jacking/ knife adjustment screws and you don't need the plates to to hold the knifes from slipping like the Oliver head. the stud hole is through the head and the stud bottom on a small rim on the top edge.


                              a set of Wadkin spent knifes(no life left) with the key slot at the back on the blade. only half of the knifes are useful in this design. the blade are about 1 1/2" wide when new. You are still able to get theses from wadkin.


                              i have found regular knifes placed in front of the key screw. this is very dangerous with this type head.

                              you have a 12" section for moulding knifes in the jointer head and it does not upset the straight knifes.


                              the hard wood side of the head is thinner than the softwood side of the head by about 5/8" this is what skews the knife.




                              hope you enjoyed the view of the Wadkin Plate type head.



                              jack
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                              jack
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                              • #30

                                Re: 1941 Wadkin RM 26" jointer over 24" planner

                                Re: Dave (richwood furniture)save a Wadkin and get one too.

                                there are two guards on a modern jointer. There is the stander pork chop/bridge and what I will call the back guard that covers the head when the fence is move over the table. Most old jointer don,t have the main and very little have a back guard.The wakin RM never had the back guard and so I made one.


                                A safety guard has to do 3 things to be of any use.

                                1 The most important is protect the operator from the cutter head.

                                2 be easy to adjust and not be in the way of the machines function as it was designed to preform.

                                3 be easy to remove for assess to the cutter head.

                                it can than look good if you want .

                                I have 26" of head to cover at any given time and I wanted to be able to adjust while the machine was running. Most back guards are attached to the fence and so I designed mine to do the same. I simply welded a simple rod and bracket that screwed in taped holes to the fence base for my guard to attach.

                                Because the table slide in and out to open the cutter block for moulding my guard needed this adjustment as-well.

                                I made it from aluminum and copper to keep it light but strong.




                                adjustment for sliding in and out



                                fully extended to 26"



                                fence tip 45 drgs


                                making progress on the motor too. but there are to many pic so see next post.


                                jack
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                                jack
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