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    Hi all,

    Well if you haven't worked it out by now, I am a bit of a Stenner fanatic, don't get me wrong, I love Wadkin, and if a Wadkin PK came up, I would make room for it in my workshop, but I don't think I could part with my 1957 Stenner ABM (which is funny because I purchased this machine because I had searched unsuccessfully for a Wadkin PK). I also have the MAE Spindle Moulder.

    Today Phil posted in the welcome section that "they are the last of the great Victorian-era woodworking machinery makers left running in the UK", which caused my Stenner fever to act up again, and I thought I might post what little information I have about Stenner in the hope that others may be able to expand on it.

    Firstly I would like to publicly thank the Managing Director and Production Controller of Stenner Ltd for taking the time to provide me, with what amounts to a fair chunk of the information that I have on the history of Stenner (and more specifically about my table saw and some of the other woodworking machinery of a similar size available at the time that the ABM was available). I think it shows the character of a great company that they would take the time to respond to some crazy Australian about a table saw that was made 57 years ago.

    So this is what I have so far:

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    History: (this was supplied by Stenner Ltd)

    Stenner began in the late 19th century as an agricultural business making implement for the local farmers.

    The first recorded instance of saw making was in 1875 when a circular saw bench was made. At that time the business was owned by the Stenner family, later it became Messrs Stenner and Gunn Ltd when another local engineer joined the business.

    Mr Gunn then left to create Messrs Gunn Bros. at a workshop in Castle Street in Tiverton.

    The company was, up to then, building circular saw machinery, in the early part of the 20th century the first bandsaw was produced, this was a great advance on circular saws as they offered much smaller kerfs and so improved the yield from logs. Early machines had spoked pulleys and were exclusively hand fed, this made sawmilling a very strenuous job.

    The company continued as Stenners of Tiverton Ltd.

    At around that time, just before the second world war, the company was bought by Messrs Heathcoat and Co Ltd and formed part of the Heathcoat engineering division.

    After the war several engineers joined the company having spent the war years on engineering research and development, this enabled Stenner to implement many of the new technologies developed during the war in the fields of hydraulics, pneumatics, electrics and electronics to become world leaders in the manufacture of sawmilling machinery.

    The name was changed to Stenner of Tiverton Ltd. In the 1960’s.

    In the late 1980’s the industry was contracting due to the importation of foreign machinery and Stenner was the subject of a management buy-out and became Stenner Ltd.

    In 2009 as a result of the economic recession the company went into administration and after negotiations with the administrators the company was purchased by a group of investors comprising some of the directors, a major component supplier and our major UK distributor.

    The company continues to use the name Stenner Ltd.
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    Catalogues and books:

    1955 catalogue (supplied by Stenner Ltd) showing the following machines with a short description:

    * BOE - 30 High Speed Bandsaw
    * CAE - Overhead Crosscut (RAS)
    * ARN - 26" or 32" Circular Saw Bench
    * MAE - Spindle Moulder
    * ABM - Canting Spindle Dimension Saw Bench
    * BL - Interchangeable Chain and Chisel Mortiser
    * PTA - Combined Surface Planer and Thicknesser

    1955 leaflet of Stenner Products.pdf

    catalogue dated between 1960-80 (based on the fact that it is Stenner of Tiverton Ltd and not Stenners), any help with dating this more accurately would be greatly appreciated (not sure if the telephone number listed 088-42 3691 or the telex number 42666 gives any clues with dating). This catalogue contains mainly bandsaw and sawmill equipment.

    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part a.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part b.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part c.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part d.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part e.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part g.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part f.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part h.pdf
    stenner of Tiverton Saw Mill Catalogue - condensed part i.pdf

    5th October 1968 Timber Trades Journal (first page under JJ Smith & Co advert. mentions as a second hand machinery Stenner ABM 18" Dim. Saw and 72" ext.)

    12th October 1968 Timber Trades Journal (advert 2nd last and last page, shows Telex number as 42850, not sure if this helps with dating the catalogue above)

    timber trades journal with stenner mentioned - condensed.pdf

    Images taken from 1958 "The Woodworking Machinist" (thanks to Matty for letting me know about this one, and I now own a copy)

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    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________

    Images of machines from the 1955 catalogue:

    ABM

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    My machine in original condition. Machine number: 2110. I am in the process of restoring

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    A machine sold last September in the UK (the owner was kind enough to take some pictures of some things to confirm if some parts were original). Machine Number:2041 apparently it was shipped to the Congo

    MAE

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    My Machine, Machine Number: 5159

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    Another machine I copied the photo from the internet (can't remember if it was a for sale or not)

    BL

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    Jacks beautifully restored BL Chain and Chisel Mortiser

    CAE

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    I am fairly sure I got these pictures from a post that Jack had responded to about RAS

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    Well guys that is about it at the moment, I wish I had more to offer (I don't think I would have made the greatest researcher). I would be grateful if anyone can add to this, and of cause let me know if I have any errors (except spelling).

    I am in the process of fixing up the Stenner ABM, I have posted over in the Australian forum, but I will add a before and after in this forum (once I get to the stage of being able to cut some timber).

    And lastly, Matty could you please scan for me the Stenner ABM manual that I know you have, and are just holding out on me.

    Cheers,

    Camo

    P.S. If you see one of the machines listed in the 1955 catalogue for sale in Australia, let me warn you that they are terrible, poorly made machines that you definitely should not consider buying, and let me know so I can protect the rest of the public from accidentally buying it.
    Last edited by Camozy; 06-10-2013, 10:15 AM.


    HELP!!

    If you have seen this catalogue, or are in the area of Tyntesfield, North Somerset, or you know of the location of a Stenners catalogue, I would love to get some images of some of my 1955 machines.

    Call: 1800I HAVE A BAD ADDICTION, or PM me.....PLEEEEEEASE
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    Thank you very much for taking the time to publish that, Camo - very interesting! We don't see many Stenner machines in the UK these days other than the bandsaws, of which there are quite a few out there. Stenner's survival seems similar to the survival of a few other European small makers where specialising in one or two types of machines (e.g Vertongen in Belgium who only make single-end tenoners these days), rather than continuing with a wide range, was key.

    Phil
    Last edited by A_Scrit; 06-10-2013, 12:50 PM.

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      Originally posted by A_Scrit View Post
      Thank you very much for taking the time to publish that, Camo - very interesting! We don't see many Stenner machines in the UK these days other than the bandsaws, of which there are quite a few out there. Stenner's survival seems similar to the survival of a few other European small makers where specialising in one or two types of machines (e.g Vertongen in Belgium who only make single-end tenoners these days), rather than continuing with a wide range, was key.

      Phil
      Phil,

      Was just about to add something to this post and realised I had neglected to thank you for your reply, so I am sorry. To be honest I was really banking on you having a stash of Stenner information, so if you don't and Matty doesn't, I think I am in real trouble.

      Just for those who are not too familiar with Stenner, Phil said "other than the bandsaws, of which there are quite a few out there", but I know he wasn't referring to the one in my next post.

      Cheers,

      Camo


      HELP!!

      If you have seen this catalogue, or are in the area of Tyntesfield, North Somerset, or you know of the location of a Stenners catalogue, I would love to get some images of some of my 1955 machines.

      Call: 1800I HAVE A BAD ADDICTION, or PM me.....PLEEEEEEASE

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        Stenner BOA-30 for sale on eBay.uk

        Hi all,

        Well my Stenner fever is acting up again, thanks to Sion.Dovey for pointing this out to me over on the Australian Forum. There is a Stenner bandsaw for sale on eBay.uk website at the moment http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bandsaw-st...B:1123&afsrc=1

        I know what your thinking there are always Stenner Bandsaws available on ebay.uk, but this one is a bit special, well at least to me. It is a BOA-30 as seen in the 1955 Stenner catalogue I posted earlier

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        The description in the listing is:

        "Stenner bandsaw, 720mm throat x 310mm high, manual break, 3ph, tilt table, recent new guides and rollers, can be seen running before end of auction. Collection only, can lift."

        These are the photos of the current listing (so when the link dies people can still see it):

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        Unfortunately no back photos or photos with the doors open, I have sent the seller a message, but given it looks like a business they may be too busy to deal with a crazy guy obsessed like me. The listing mentions new guides and rollers, I am thinking from this means the assembly?

        I have never been too good at spot the difference, unless a machine is standing in front of me, but I wonder, how similar this machine would be to the Wadkin DR? I know the Stenner ABM tablesaw and the PK, have similar features and the Wadkin EQ and the Stenner MAE spindle moulder are very similar (I can confirm this one, because I have both).

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        OK let me start with some things I can see:

        * Brakes on both (assuming that lever to the left on the Stenner is a brake)
        * Stenner neck doesn't curve back in at the base (so a broader footprint)
        * Tension adjuster location (the Stenner tension adjuster is further to the middle), again it would be good to have a back picture)
        * I was thinking the Stenner has a gap between the feet, but then I looked at a picture with the doors open

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        I know there are a few people on this forum that are UK based. I don't know how close anyone would be to this machine, but I thought I would list it if someone was interested in purchasing, or even going and having a look and perhaps take some photos (please, please, please someone go and take some photos).

        Cheers,

        Camo


        HELP!!

        If you have seen this catalogue, or are in the area of Tyntesfield, North Somerset, or you know of the location of a Stenners catalogue, I would love to get some images of some of my 1955 machines.

        Call: 1800I HAVE A BAD ADDICTION, or PM me.....PLEEEEEEASE

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          Re: Stenners of Tiverton Ltd

          Originally posted by Camozy View Post
          To be honest I was really banking on you having a stash of Stenner information, so if you don't and Matty doesn't, I think I am in real trouble.
          Stenner were hardly a big manufacturer and certainly didn'y make any inroads into the trade in my area until towards the end of the Robinson era in the late 1980s. By that time all Stenners were building was the bandracks and PBRs

          Stenner being one of the small fry probably copied designs of others, so the spindle looks like it could be any heavy spindle from the late 1920 onwards (take your pick: Wadkin, White, Robinson, Sagar, Cooksley, etc were all remarkably similar), the crosscut has a lot of Wadkin on the C-series crosscuts about it, etc.

          Pity the bandsaw is so far away - Norwich.

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            Just shopping around on ye olde ebay again, and found this Stenner radial arm a little needy of a new home:

            http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...E:B:SS:GB:3160

            - sion
            Vintage J. Sagar woodworking machinery:
            http://www.sagar-woodworking-machinery.co.uk

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              Originally posted by sion.dovey View Post
              Just shopping around on ye olde ebay again, and found this Stenner radial arm a little needy of a new home:

              http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...E:B:SS:GB:3160

              - sion
              Sion,

              Thank you for posting this, from the limited pictures I have seen, I think the CAE would have to rate as one of the best of its type, but then again, I am a bit biased I think.

              I would love to buy that, but I just know the freight would take it way past my tiny budget.

              This is the snippet I have on it:

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              The blade he has on it is definitely under sized, but it takes a maximum 16" not 20". If anyone happens to live down the road, I would love to see some detailed photos of this beast!!

              Cheers,

              Camo

              Last edited by Camozy; 10-20-2013, 05:54 PM.


              HELP!!

              If you have seen this catalogue, or are in the area of Tyntesfield, North Somerset, or you know of the location of a Stenners catalogue, I would love to get some images of some of my 1955 machines.

              Call: 1800I HAVE A BAD ADDICTION, or PM me.....PLEEEEEEASE

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                when i went looking i found that Stenner made farm machinery and was joined up with as brass foundry. Gunn of Stenner & Gun made rip saws and carriages.



                there was a J stenner that made early wood working machines too




                j stenner band saw


                stenner and gunn. Note the riving knife a short fence






                if i were to find one other I had to have it would be the Stenner over under with 28 over 26" that i would not let slip through my fingers.







                jack
                English machines
                Last edited by jgarrett forsberg; 10-20-2013, 06:48 PM.
                everyone knows real machines are 3 phase. Founding member of the Wadkin blockhead club

                jack
                English machines

                http://www.youtube.com/user/tool613

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                  Heres a couple of videos of some of the Resaws:

                  We had one of these at college, It took a while to spin up and all the time during start up you were thinking it's almost up to speed and it would continue to get faster and louder!! Notice how it's supported on some RSJ's, you've got to dig the floor out underneath to accommodate the bottom wheel.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDmkga6N1sc

                  And a twin machine:
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLj6qP3Vg8w

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                    As they would say down home in West Virginia: Now THAT, by God, is a bandsaw!
                    Last edited by Ron in Ottawa; 10-21-2013, 04:51 PM.
                    Best regards,

                    Ron

                    My 2017 resolution was to lose 10 pounds. Only 15 pounds to go!

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                      Hi all my name is Henry Stenner and I am the grate grate grate grand son of the latte J Stenner who started the compeney. I am a marine engineer by trade but am a massive fan of all the Stenner machines I have a BOE 30 bandsaw and I bought the CAE crosscut saw that was on e bay last week

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                        Hens welcome to the forum. Please tell us more on stenner. Many here love it.

                        jack
                        English machines
                        everyone knows real machines are 3 phase. Founding member of the Wadkin blockhead club

                        jack
                        English machines

                        http://www.youtube.com/user/tool613

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                          Henry, welcome !
                          Its wonderful to hear from a descendant of the Stenner company, they made some serious Kit.
                          I know for a fact that Camo will want to get you on a plane to Australia, have you around for dinner and entertain you as he is a huge Stenner fan.
                          And I agree with what jack has asked, we would love to hear what you know about Stenner,

                          And if you have any Stenner catalogs don't tell Camo, other wise he will be on a plane to London....lol

                          Melbourne Matty.

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                            Re: Stenners of Tiverton Ltd

                            Originally posted by Hens ten View Post
                            Hi all my name is Henry Stenner and I am the grate grate grate grand son of the latte J Stenner who started the compeney. I am a marine engineer by trade but am a massive fan of all the Stenner machines I have a BOE 30 bandsaw and I bought the CAE crosscut saw that was on e bay last week
                            Henry,

                            A big welcome to you, you really have made my day. I actually sent the seller of the CAE a message just before the end of the auction, to see if he would consider packing it for shipping to Australia, if it didn't sell (with that said, I had no idea what it would cost me to ship it, or the logistics required, my main concern was that it got a bid and was kept in use, and didn't find its way to scrap). I think you got a real bargain with that piece.

                            So I am excited to hear that it is going to a good home, and a relative of J Stenner......WOW, that makes for a very happy ending.

                            I have the Stenner ABM table saw and MAE spindle moulder, and am always on the lookout for other machines from Stenner of the same period, both the CAE and BOE would definitely be on my list of must eventually own.

                            I am embarrassed to say that I have put many hours into trying to find information on Stenners of Tiverton, especially the magic time when they made these machines, but I wish I could say I was holding something back (everything you see in this post is all I have unfortunately, but with that said, many thanks to those who have contributed the information).

                            I, like Jack and Matty would be very interested in any information you may have to share, and would also love to see some photos of your newly acquired CAE and your existing BOE if you get a chance.

                            It's a real treat to hear from you, I started this post with the hope that it might be seen by someone with some information to share, I didn't expect a relative to drop by.

                            Cheers,

                            Camo


                            HELP!!

                            If you have seen this catalogue, or are in the area of Tyntesfield, North Somerset, or you know of the location of a Stenners catalogue, I would love to get some images of some of my 1955 machines.

                            Call: 1800I HAVE A BAD ADDICTION, or PM me.....PLEEEEEEASE

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                              Hi I will go over to my fathers this weekend and have we will go through the box of stuff we have,And put it hear for all to see.
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