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  • #16

    Re: Blonde shellac

    Oh .. and the top coat is Saman gloss floor varnish ...
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    • #17

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      In the Zinsser line ONLY the Sealcoat is dewaxed.....if you use their Shellac it has the natural waxes still in it (I believe they fail to mention that in the literature ...ooopsie!) and BTW store employees don't have a clue what you are talking about typically so don't believe them).....your next coats will delaminate over time if you use regular shellac and your end user will not be happy ...so be careful use ONLY dewaxed.
      Same applies to shellac flakes...get the dewaxed type.....or (if its too late) ...you can dewax your own shellac using the fridge....thats a good trick!
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      • #18

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        Julian i'm not sure what his project is or what wood he's using but it seems to me the end result would have been fine with nothing other than water based poly. How far off am I?
        "Do it Right!"

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        • #19

          Re: Blonde shellac

          Originally posted by WeQuick View Post
          Also, Paul, it says that it is non darkening and won't change color with age.... and I used a water based gloss clear finish over it (as was instructed by rep at the store)
          There's a huge difference using shellac as a sealer and using it as a topcoat. Dewaxed shellac is used as a sealer, regular (waxy) shellac is used as a topcoat.
          By using regular shellac as a sealer you are courting potential disaster due to poor physical bonding between the two.

          As a general comment, it's hard to give good advice if people ask about one finishing method and then employ a different one.

          As Julian pointed out, the topcoat has a high probability to delaminate/peel away as there is not a strong bond to the shellac due mainly to it's wax content. Also three coats of a floor finish is a pretty heavy coat for anything other than a flat floor.

          You could have diluted the topcoat 50/50 with water, applied a couple coats as a sealer then put it on full (or almost full) strength. Be aware that many floor finishes (even the waterbased ones) may amber over time as the urethanes react to UV.

          Rather than take the word of a box store salesperson (I agree totally with Julian's comment btw and was another reason I suggested Ardec as they distribute real finishing products and will give accurate advice you can rely on), maybe get hold of a couple finishing books (or online articles) by people like Jeff Jewitt or Bob Flexner and read them a couple times to get a handle on some of the basic do's and don't s of finishing, which is a blend of art and science.

          Another company to check out is Finitec. They are a Quebec company who originally specialised in waterbased floor finishes but have expanded to include furniture finishes. Maybe there is a distributor near you.

          Good luck
          Paul
          Last edited by Paul O in Paris; 02-07-2019, 10:54 AM.

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          • #20

            Re: Blonde shellac

            Benny Moore supplies Finitec here Paul.
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            • #21

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              Someone just showed me a video of Jay Bates doing basically the same finish I did ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqlQ-YB0NpA&t=201s

              I can see why finishing is such a headache for most people with so many people giving opposing answers...

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              • #22

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                To quote Rusty, I just want to "do it right"! (next time)

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                • #23

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                  What those youtube videos never show you is what happened six months later lol
                  Lots of people on this forum with plenty of experience so don't be shy about asking, You may get a lot of different techniques thrown at you but there are some basic guidelines to follow that ensure your hard work won't literally fall apart

                  Paul
                  Last edited by Paul O in Paris; 02-07-2019, 04:16 PM.
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                  • #24

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                    The great thing about YouTube is that if you search long enough you'll find someone to agree with you. I suggest you do some real research. If there is a finishing guru it is Bob Flexner. His book "Understanding wood finishing" is, in my opinion, the definitive work on the subject. Lee Valley sells that too.
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                    • #25

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                      I was asking about it on a Facebook group and someone sent me Jay's video (even though the job was already done) ... and in the video he says he's been doing it that way for years, so I don't think he would continue doing something that fell apart ... and while I never saw this video, I have got quite a few helpful pointers from his other videos... I mean. the way it was explained here makes sense and I'm pretty sure is correct, it just surprises me that even pros are making the same mistakes.

                      Thanks for all the input!

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                      • #26

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                        For that planter stand, it really is not an issue if the finish only lasts a few years, it was just a cheap enough planter stand that she couldn't possibly complain about, but I want to make sure that I "do it right" in the future!

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