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  • LaPedrera
    started a topic Dust Collection

    Dust Collection

    Hi all,

    I am considering this specific dust collector from busy bee tools;

    Dust collector

    It will be used for connection to a table saw (rigid R4512) and a dewalt planer, only one at a time and connected to each machine as being used.
    I am a little bit restricted in regards to both space and power considerations (only have 110 - regular outlets at the moment).
    I will certainly be purchasing the hepa canister as well as I understand that the bag filters are both insufficient in particle size.

    Although listed at 825cfm, I suspect the effective cfm will be a little bit less (600 or so?) at the machine connection.

    I do currently have a shop vac with both hepa filter and hepa bags installed, but the cfm is rather low to address the dust from the table saw (planer is not bad at all, probably because it has its own blower built in)

    Any other models recommended or other things to consider that I may have missed.. other models to consider or places to look? Additions? Etc..?

    I am also planning on building an air cleaner (built into a mobile stand for my planer)

    Thanks

  • LaPedrera
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    Originally posted by beachburl View Post

    Sometimes it does an almost satisfactory job, but most of the time I have to sweep up and vacuum up turning chips and dust with my shopvac.
    Maybe my standards are too high, or maybe I didn't set it up correctly.

    It's like a dishwasher getting most of the dirt off, a disinfectant removing most of the germs, or a planer knife being almost flat.

    Hope this clarifies.

    Noel
    Ok, so it is not adequate. Perhaps something else was intended with the quotation marks that I missed. Better to be on the higher standards than lower standards with dust collection I think.

    Chips (as in from turning that you mention) not as big of a concern as far as inhalation given their sizes.

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  • EMSbyDay
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    Originally posted by LaPedrera View Post

    Both the mini and regular HEPA work with the CX404 (as I was advised when I was in store a few weeks ago)


    Originally posted by Wally in Calgary View Post

    There is this one too but they don't have stock in many stores. It's only $145 right now.
    I will look into both of these options come spring time when I can use my garage again. Thank you both.

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  • LaPedrera
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    Originally posted by Wally in Calgary View Post

    That answer was for EMS who wanted to know what filters would fit his 404.
    Given that the original thread was for HEPA filtration, I was mere ensuring that he was aware that canister you linked to is not HEPA filtration.

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  • LaPedrera
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    Originally posted by Matt Matt View Post
    It would be if you were willing to apply it with the specific answers. I don't believe anyone has given you obscure Solutions. Can you please provide us with more of your shop layout and the situations? Dust collection is...as mentioned, is very specific to certain application.

    Can you provide the full dust collection layout that you are considering implementing?

    Sometimes very detailed pictures and setups are very helpful.

    Are you in a basement shop, or a dedicated separate shop?
    I was merely going by the definition of adequate - satisfactory or acceptable in quality or quantity. Perhaps something else was meant by the quotation marks - which is why I asked for clarification.

    No layout - just a dust collection device to move from machine to machine (table saw and planer).

    Just a room (approximately 120 feet square)

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  • Wally in Calgary
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    Originally posted by LaPedrera View Post

    That is not a HEPA filter though, only 1 micron.
    That answer was for EMS who wanted to know what filters would fit his 404.

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  • beachburl
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    Originally posted by LaPedrera View Post

    Can you please clarify? Why would you wish you had gone bigger if it is adequate?
    Sometimes it does an almost satisfactory job, but most of the time I have to sweep up and vacuum up turning chips and dust with my shopvac.
    Maybe my standards are too high, or maybe I didn't set it up correctly.

    It's like a dishwasher getting most of the dirt off, a disinfectant removing most of the germs, or a planer knife being almost flat.

    Hope this clarifies.

    Noel

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  • Matt Matt
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    Originally posted by LaPedrera View Post

    That does nothing to clarify the statement I inquired about.
    It would be if you were willing to apply it with the specific answers. I don't believe anyone has given you obscure Solutions. Can you please provide us with more of your shop layout and the situations? Dust collection is...as mentioned, is very specific to certain application.

    Can you provide the full dust collection layout that you are considering implementing?

    Sometimes very detailed pictures and setups are very helpful.

    Are you in a basement shop, or a dedicated separate shop?
    Last edited by Matt Matt; 01-29-2019, 12:01 AM.

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  • LaPedrera
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    Originally posted by drzaius View Post

    If I was going to eat a meal, I'd rather that it be 'fantastic' than 'barely adequate'
    That does nothing to clarify the statement I inquired about.

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  • LaPedrera
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    Originally posted by Wally in Calgary View Post

    There is this one too but they don't have stock in many stores. It's only $145 right now.
    That is not a HEPA filter though, only 1 micron.

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  • Matt Matt
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    I personally went from a shop vac, then to a 1.5 hp DC, then jumped up to the Bill Pentz 5 horsepower DC.

    This is just one of the things woodworkers need to work through to find their happy place.

    The Dewalt plainer should have its own built-in blower. When you upgrade from this particular machine, you will be looking into upgrading Power requirements and dust collection requirements. It is just the nature of the beast.

    Most guys start out just like I did,... then they realise they need more. I realized I needed more (when my smoke detector started going off in my basement shop) when cutting MDF.

    I'm not going to preach. Some days with the best dust collector, I still get dust on my floor.

    Dust collection it Is a forever perfection.

    Sure it is arguable what dust collection could be the best. So far in five years or so my collector seems out perform most manufacture DC units. But mine is no manufactured unit. So I watch things little more closely.
    Last edited by Matt Matt; 01-28-2019, 10:44 PM.

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  • pmtottawa
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    if interested I will be putting my 3hp dual bag king industrial DC up for sale in the next couple days. I'll post it as soon as I can to the garage and take pics.

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  • drzaius
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    Originally posted by LaPedrera View Post

    Can you please clarify? Why would you wish you had gone bigger if it is adequate?
    If I was going to eat a meal, I'd rather that it be 'fantastic' than 'barely adequate'

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  • Wally in Calgary
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    Originally posted by EMSbyDay View Post

    Is there a canister filter that is proper for the 404? I have asked Busy Bee a couple times and never gotten a confirmed response.

    Thx
    There is this one too but they don't have stock in many stores. It's only $145 right now.

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  • LaPedrera
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    Originally posted by beachburl View Post
    I have the original one posted, and it is "adequate" at best.
    I wish I had gone bigger.

    Noel
    Can you please clarify? Why would you wish you had gone bigger if it is adequate?

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