Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

had to get this off my chest

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • had to get this off my chest

    I attended the One of a Kind craft show in Toronto and I particularly enjoyed the large posters of craftspeople engaged in their various fields...except the woodworker: this fellow was doing a rip cut on a table saw - no guard, left hand beside the blade, right hand using a fish mouth style push stick, and was standing behind the stock. I'd say the only thing the he was doing right was having his eyes open. That photo should be pulled.

  • #2

    Re: had to get this off my chest

    Re: had to get this off my chest

    This fellow?

    http://www.oneofakindshow.com/xmas10/

    I'm with you Paul and always use at least a splitter, unless I was being an idiot as I posted a few months back.

    I wouldn't be to critical of the individual as a craftsperson though, as far as I've seen as soon as you get to the world outside of internet discussion boards table saw safety is not very often given the respect most of us around here feel they deserve. It's crazy, because everyone it seems has got a story of a nasty kickback, but still the lack of consideration seems almost universal.

    Matt
    SPCHT

    Comment


    • #3

      Re: had to get this off my chest

      Re: had to get this off my chest

      “Almost every day I wake up I realize how amazing it is to get to do what I do: being able to put my own ideas into fruition, and constantly search for new inspirations. Some wood workers read books and magazines to find new ideas, I look to nature and pull from it what I can. Assembly line products are based on routines. To keep things interesting, I try to make the time I spent day-to-day at the studio as diverse as possible.”
      - Jon Black


      Keep that kind of safety up and you won't be making your own ideas anymore.
      and if you ask me he doesn't look like the "wood worker" kind of guy.

      Here is the picture if people can't find it or just want to be lazy

      A Termite walked into a pub and asked,
      "Where's the bar tender?


      Apprentice at Ledlie Construction Ltd
      "Never think you know every thing, when it comes to carpentry you're always learning"

      Comment


      • #4

        Re: had to get this off my chest

        Re: had to get this off my chest

        Very good. Third from the top...and I read a bit of his bio...he is self taught.
        I don't question his ability...just technique...he obviously cuts a lot of shorts for his cutting boards and his technique begs kickback. Just a guard would go a long way to keep his stock from climbing the blade and ejecting.
        As an aside, I've often wondered what percentage of us are self taught and if there is any correlation between that and frequency of injury.
        Thanks for your thoughts.

        Comment


        • #5

          Re: had to get this off my chest

          Re: had to get this off my chest

          Let's give him the benefit of the doubt....there are probably 5 people in his 'one-man' shop. They are all staring at him and pointing lights and camera at him. He even has a clean shirt on, which for us woodworkers, just feels weird. That *may* be the reason for a temporary state of mind loss.

          I think (barely) the worst thing he is doing is using one of those thin, awful push sticks. They are not the least bit positive... they rock as you make a cut... they give you that false sense of security that leads to bad things. That he even had one within arms reach of his table saw I believe is a big mistake. One with a long (10" minimum) surface that stays in contact with the workpiece during the cut and has a little notch at the back end is what I recommend. It has a much more positive, stable feel, you can control the workpiece much better, etc.
          ______________________________________________
          Rob Brown
          Editor - Canadian Woodworking & Home Improvement

          Comment


          • #6

            Re: had to get this off my chest

            Re: had to get this off my chest

            I have been ripping tens of thousands of thin sticks for years and the only difference between me and this guy is i don,t stand directly behind the blade and i never use a push stick . I agree 100 % with Rob about the push stick .
            I have never used a guard on my saw and i don,t plan on it anytime soon .

            I had a close friend last month who chopped 3 fingers off using a brand new table saw with a guard on it .
            Just because a saw has a guard on it It doesn,t mean accidents won,t happen .
            I think the more paranoid you are about using table saws, mitre saws and power tools the more you are bound to get hurt .
            I grew up with a shop around me all my life so i feel 110 % confident when it comes to using power tools . That doesn,t make me invincible but i sure don,t get any negative thoughts about chopping body parts off

            Comment


            • #7

              Re: had to get this off my chest

              Re: had to get this off my chest

              Then again after an accident, how many people say, 'Gee, that never happened before'
              If women don't find you handsome, they can sure find you handy. Red Green

              Comment


              • #8

                Re: had to get this off my chest

                Re: had to get this off my chest

                Hey John what do you use for cutting up your barn board into those thin strips? Personally I love the Gripper for short stuff and to finish long thin cuts..
                "Do it Right!"

                Comment


                • #9

                  Re: had to get this off my chest

                  Re: had to get this off my chest

                  Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                  Hey John what do you use for cutting up your barn board into those thin strips? Personally I love the Gripper for short stuff and to finish long thin cuts..
                  I just use my fingers
                  Whenever i get 3 or 4" away from the end of each stick i pull it through from the other end with my right hand . Maybe i,ll make a quick video later so them paranoid woodworkers can cringe over it

                  Comment


                  • #10

                    Re: had to get this off my chest

                    Re: had to get this off my chest

                    From looking at the photo...

                    I don't see him standing directly behind the blade. If you draw lines you'd see he is standing to one side. Maybe not all the way, but any more and he would be totally off balance.

                    You can see he doesn't have a guard, but you have no idea if he has a splitter. Not being able to see directly behind the blade and considering the thickness of the wood, you just don't know. I have a micro splitter that works very well. I'd rather use it than the guard any day. My saw doesn't come with a riving knife.

                    His left fingers are about in line with the blade. And he is using a push stick rather than his hand..

                    My problem is that the is not waring safety glasses. He might have ear plugs for the noise.
                    Matt

                    People are like a box of chocolates. It's hard to tell initially which ones are nuts.

                    Comment


                    • #11

                      Re: had to get this off my chest

                      Re: had to get this off my chest

                      + 1 for the GRRRipper for short narrow pieces -- and you can't use it with a Guard. The worst accident I had, a long time ago, was trying to cut similar pieces with a pushstick and guard. The stick got tangled up in the guard, and the workpiece kicked up onto my hand.
                      Jim

                      Comment


                      • #12

                        Re: had to get this off my chest

                        Re: had to get this off my chest

                        I was in a hurry once and trying to do something stupid so I had a kick back years ago that flew over my left shoulder. It was a piece almost the same size as the one pictured. Put a hole in the garage door. The problem with kickbacks is they aren't always precise enough to kick straight back but they are great teachers.
                        "Do it Right!"

                        Comment


                        • #13

                          Re: had to get this off my chest

                          Re: had to get this off my chest

                          Add me to the bad books.
                          I have made a cut similar to what this guy is doing hundreds of times, even using a similar push stick, though not my favourite kind of push stick either. I do make certain my body is to the left of the blade, and this guys is for the most part.

                          Safety glasses would be a good thing, for sure. I use mine most of the time, but who here can honestly say that they use them every last time they use a tool or machine. I know I am guilty, and I would estimate that probably only 75% of the time I use glasses, though almost 100% of the time I use hearing protection as the dust collector is the noisiest machine in my shop.
                          JIM
                          Calgary, AB

                          Comment


                          • #14

                            Re: had to get this off my chest

                            Re: had to get this off my chest

                            Originally posted by Rob Brown View Post
                            I think (barely) the worst thing he is doing is using one of those thin, awful push sticks. They are not the least bit positive... they rock as you make a cut... they give you that false sense of security that leads to bad things. That he even had one within arms reach of his table saw I believe is a big mistake. One with a long (10" minimum) surface that stays in contact with the workpiece during the cut and has a little notch at the back end is what I recommend. It has a much more positive, stable feel, you can control the workpiece much better, etc.
                            Could you post a picture of what your push stick looks like? I am having a hard time visualizing it.

                            Thanks.

                            Steven

                            Comment


                            • #15

                              Re: had to get this off my chest

                              Re: had to get this off my chest

                              Today if I saw someone doing that under my responsibility I'd have a word with him and I would never permit a photo of myself cutting like that. 5 or 10 years ago it would have broken safety rules but I would have seen nothing wrong with what he was doing. I would have thought his push stick was a little ... well not something to be proud of because an effective one that's sacrificial if necessary is so easy to make. He isn't directly behind the blade or are his fingers in a position where they'll be drawn into the blade. (unlike some overconfident idiots I know. Not to name names but lets just say when you point with one finger, or part of one finger there are 3 others pointing back ) He looks confident and experienced so I would assume he knows the feedback and warnings you get from stock that's binding. I would also assume that if he's experienced he would know better than to use a saw that was badly tuned, a dull blade, an improper blade for the job, a blade raised to the wrong height, a fence that's out of alignment or a cutting area that's full of tripping hazards or distractions.

                              A guard is the last line of defence. If anyone believes they are safe because they use personal protection and guards they are just deluded. The guards are there when all else fails. I'm not advocating using power tools without the proper guards attached. I believe that a lot of manufacturers will throw a guard on a piece of equipment that meets the law but makes the tool unusable in some cases, like ripping narrow stock or doing intricate cuts, using sleds and fixtures etc. I would rather see everyone using european style sliders and power feeders where you never have to get behind the blade at all rather than the delusion that a plastic guard suddenly make a cheap table saw with a dollar store blade safe to use.

                              Lets give this guy the benifit of the doubt and assume that aside from the obvious sins he has all the other bases covered safety wise

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X