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    Default Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    My buddy has been looking for a TS recently, so while browsing Kijiji trying to find him one, I spotted something I liked the look of in the form of a tablesaw/jointer combo for a very reasonable price. I went to look at it and the guy said it was in the way and needed it gone asap, so I quickly went home and returned with tools so I could strip it and get it in my car.

    In my haste I forgot to take some photos of it assembled, but it looks the similar as the one in the first photo below, apart from the jointer being a Beaver.

    Everything looks to be there and in good order apart from the TS blade guard which is missing - it even comes with the molding cutter head. The saw is 10" and badged as a Delta serial no. 78-8507. The jointer is 61/2 x 42" and badged as a Beaver 4800. The original fence, mitre guage and dust chute are also present and in good condition, as is the mounting table, but the original dual motor has be changed for 2 singles.

    I'll re-assemble it and take some photos before I start the resto on it, but for now you can have a couple of it stripped into car sized peices.

    Has anyone seen one of these before, and are they worth much?




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    interesting combination!!

    first the tablesaw is a tilt table delta, 10 inch i think you told me. the jointer is actually a rockwell 37-220 rebadged beaver and made in guelph

    beaver, delta and rockwell were all interrelated after 1954, so there was lots of "crossover" product if in fact your combo was sold origanally as you now have it

    tilt top tablesaws kinda disappeared in north america in favour of the tilting arbour, on a tilttop the table tilts and goes upand down for blade adjustments. the big advantage was that the motor could be rigidly mounted on those saws

    the beaver 4800/rockwelldelta 37-220 is a well respected machine and a nice score. rockwell made them for decades with very few changes. the beaver version as far as i know, is identical. it replaced the hugely complex beaver 3800 shortly after rockwell bought beaver in 54

    the origanal combo machine as shown in the pic from vintage, shows the rockwell flare leg stand and a double shaft motor to drive both machines

    post some more pics especially the badges, stand and motor
    Last edited by stevem; 06-11-2012 at 06:22 AM.
    my shop is a beaver lodge
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    1915 or so crescent

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    Rich- These were good heavy duty saws which they continued to sell for sometime after the development of the Unisaw. I have seen many of these combos for sale in the $150 to $200 range, some even lower. It would be worth more with the original motor. As witnessed by your first pics it will fix up nicely. Just be carefull with the casting for the tilt mechanism, they are notoriously brittle and are prone to cracking and loosing teeth. Parts including a replacement guard are not that hard to find although they can be pricey.

    As for the combo I suspect it was not original as the saw predates the jointer by several years. This may be the reason you have two motors.

    Major drawback of the saw can be the tilting table but that depends on how much bevel cuttiing you do. All in all a nice find.Good luck with it.

    By the way,I thought you moved.(hint)

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    Haha, sorry Gerry - is that better?!

    The table looks the same as the one pictured, apart from the wheels, mine doesn't have any. I've had a look through the ones posted on OWWM and there seem to be quite a few combos on there that look similar. I'll get it back together this week and get some decent photos.

    The guy wanted $75, I offered him $25 and we settled on $30, I'm happy with that!

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    Default Re: Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    Thought you might like these, a couple of combo machines.
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    30 bucks for a nice saw and a beaver 4800(aka 37-220)?

    thats worthy of a big "YOU SUCK"!!
    my shop is a beaver lodge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardo View Post
    Haha, sorry Gerry - is that better?!

    The table looks the same as the one pictured, apart from the wheels, mine doesn't have any. I've had a look through the ones posted on OWWM and there seem to be quite a few combos on there that look similar. I'll get it back together this week and get some decent photos.

    The guy wanted $75, I offered him $25 and we settled on $30, I'm happy with that!

    WOW! I'd be happy too.

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    Rich - This combo has a jointer that appears to be of the same vintage as yours. Looks like I could be wrong yet again.
    http://vintagemachinery.org/photoind...il.aspx?id=171

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    Gerry, that sure looks like the 42 inch 37-220, on a combo machine

    it does seem odd though that a beaver 4800 jointer wound up on a combo machine with a delta tilt top saw unless of course somebody(even a dealer) changed it

    i wonder if the tilttops were ever made in guelph, i didnt think they were

    my theory is that a customer wanted a combo with a longer jointer, so the dealer switched them or of course a previous owner did later on
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    Default Re: Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    I guess if it was available as a single sku from the manufacturer, it should be considered a "combo". However I'm wrestling with the classification seeing as its basically two completely separate machines (available individually) sharing a table and being ran off a single motor.

    When I think "combo" I think of something like Crescent's Universal Woodworker, or the like.

    At any rate, it's going to be nice to see something a little different being restored on the forum. I'm looking forward to following along.

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    Default Re: Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    Well, it's been a while since I started this little project. In the usual fashion, other things came up and this one got put on the back bench for a while while I built my hot rod. That is now finished, enjoyed and now sold, so it was back onto the jointer/saw project. It was a nice easy project after building a 40's truck, and came in at a grand total of $20, considerably less than the truck too.

    My workshop space is a little small, so getting a decent photo is challenging, but you can kind of get the idea from these...














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    nice looking machines!!

    the saw is the Rockwell 1160 tilttop, since you started this thread, ive also acquired one. mine is just the saw with the castiron base

    you'll probably find a guard on owwm if you post a wtb, its quite a large assembly with a castiron arm bolted to backleft corner of the saw

    the jointer with the beaver badge is quite rare but it is identical to the Rockwell 37-220

    they were sold together with a single motor.

    the saw looks a little precarious, id get it bolted down asap! and don't move the unit around using the sawtable, the trunnions wont take that for long

    here's a guard for you: http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=...t=1160#p965185
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    Default Re: Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    Thanks Steve. It's all just sat there for a minute as I have no other room for it. I'll take it outside and photograph it properly this week, then store it all away in kit form until it sells. I wish I could keep it, but I just don't have the space.

    What year would you say this is from?

    While looking on the local free ads today, I saw another combo like mine, but missing the saw. It was the same jointer on the same stand with the holes etc for the saw. Think the guy wanted $150 for it and it looked rough. There was also a Beaver lathe and TS I sptted too...

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    the age of the saw can be determined from the serial number

    the jointer is another issue. I have a 1961 beaver catalog that still lists the 3800 but the included price list shows it discontinued. a 1962 catalog shows the 4800

    if I were you, id be making space for such a nice combo!!
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    Default Re: Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    Richardo,
    I've got basically the same combo, but with a slight twist.
    1939/40 1160 tablesaw, with a 1955 37-220.
    The jointer had been dumped over breaking the elevation handles off, so I reworked the shafts and used the small bell-crank handles in place of the round ones.
    It makes the 37-220 look more like it belongs with the 1160.
    Delta did offer the two as a combo back in the mid 1950's.
    The combination of Beaver, and Delta may have been done in the Canadian market due to the overlap of Delta/Beaver machines at the time.

    You couldn't give me a Uni-Saw, well maybe you could but I would sell it to get other older Delta Machines.
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    I have and use an 1160 tilty and a beaver 3800 jointer regularly in my rather cramped shop, both are on separate stands, the 1160 is on a delta/Rockwell cast iron stand, the jointer is on a shop built stand using a set of the beaver legs. they are very compact and easily movable

    the 1160 is no bigger than a modern crappytire aluminum/plastic nightmare especially since the motor is in the bottom of the base, the jointer/stand isn't much larger than the machine itself and a 37-220 is much more compact than the 3800

    no matter how cramped my shop got, id never give up my 1160 and 3800
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Buskirk View Post
    Richardo,
    I've got basically the same combo, but with a slight twist.
    1939/40 1160 tablesaw, with a 1955 37-220.
    The jointer had been dumped over breaking the elevation handles off, so I reworked the shafts and used the small bell-crank handles in place of the round ones.
    It makes the 37-220 look more like it belongs with the 1160.
    Delta did offer the two as a combo back in the mid 1950's.
    The combination of Beaver, and Delta may have been done in the Canadian market due to the overlap of Delta/Beaver machines at the time.

    You couldn't give me a Uni-Saw, well maybe you could but I would sell it to get other older Delta Machines.
    I've never used a "tilty" and I don't think you could sell me one of those. My only reservation is the fact I've never used one. I have a Unisaw and a Beaver and a Dewalt and a Bosch. I've also used most of the others and I guess I'm defending the Unisaw but it doesn't need much defending in my shop.

    I'm sure you know Delta made/manufactures the Unisaw too. I'm just surprised I guess but what the heck, different strokes huh?
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    Rusty,
    I'm well aware that Delta made/makes the "Uni".
    I'm just a bit "Tilted" myself, and can do everything with my "Tilty" that a "Uni" can do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
    I've never used a "tilty" and I don't think you could sell me one of those. My only reservation is the fact I've never used one. I have a Unisaw and a Beaver and a Dewalt and a Bosch. I've also used most of the others and I guess I'm defending the Unisaw but it doesn't need much defending in my shop.

    I'm sure you know Delta made/manufactures the Unisaw too. I'm just surprised I guess but what the heck, different strokes huh?
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    I don't find the tilttop aspect to be a hinderance at all, I use a tilty both on jobsites and in my shop
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    Default Re: Saw/Jointer Combo Project

    As I mentioned I've never used one but I'd love to see one rip a bevel down the center of a 4x8 sheet just to see how it works. I'm not trying to be smart or disrespectful either. I would truly like to see how you do it and my reason for questioning is it seems to me there would be a lot of weight comming down against one side of the blade that would hinder this process. What sort of splitter or riving knife would you need or do you use one? Correct me if I'm wrong but during the cut process wouldn't the upper piece be putting a lot of pressure to the side of the blade and would it not be trying to "lever up" the last few inches of the cut as the saw kerf tries to close up behind the blade and splitter?
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